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The Leap Manifesto is long on aspirations and short on detail.
Linda McQuaig: "That silly Leap Manifesto -- giving itself away right in the subtitle, which calls for "a Canada based on caring for the Earth and one another." No wonder it provoked fury and outrage."
It was clearly not written by politicians and will never be adopted by the NDP as policy.
Our current batch of politicians, like the previous batch of helmet-headed Harperites, are one of the main reasons why there is no progress on this critical issue. Change, therefore, has to come from outside these ostriches. So, while your claims may be superfically true, this is more of an argument showing the essential need to build the mass movements necessary to slap the politicians upside the head and make them act appropriately before it is too late. And that includes the so-called "enlightened" NDP.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Really Vlad!
I see Kevin has an ally in his crusade against "left wing crapola". Sigh.
I wasn't worried that I was alone, since I absolutely knew I had truth on my side. Otherwise, I might have given up the good fight in dispirit (if only due to lack of substantial responses), unlike at least one well known one-man-army chesstalker we all know and love.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
Personally I think there's all sorts of real global pollution that can be cleaned up, with managing the environment being put a close second to improving our economy, without all this talk of so-called global warming.
Anyway, to try to illustrate that I'm not generally coming to my personal conclusions rather lightly, in trying to put things into perspective I set out to track down material on the overall environmental impact of WWII alone. I had imagined so much oil had been set alight or spilled during that war, it would make modern concerns about the consequences of peace time oil spills laughable by comparison (assuming the effects of WWII have been largely cleaned up quite successfully, since, a credit to our predecessors). Anyway, one essay on this particular topic leaves the impression that times of world peace aren't necessarily heavenly for the environment, either, when it comes to the cumulative effect of pollution:
Linda McQuaig: "That silly Leap Manifesto -- giving itself away right in the subtitle, which calls for "a Canada based on caring for the Earth and one another." No wonder it provoked fury and outrage."
Our current batch of politicians, like the previous batch of helmet-headed Harperites, are one of the main reasons why there is no progress on this critical issue. Change, therefore, has to come from outside these ostriches. So, while your [Ken Craft] claims may be superfically true, this is more of an argument showing the essential need to build the mass movements necessary to slap the politicians upside the head and make them act appropriately before it is too late. And that includes the so-called "enlightened" NDP.
Like I alluded to earlier, in Ontario we already have gone through some of the consequences of a Green Energy policy, under a socially & environmentally radical socialist, and corrupt, Liberal government, now to be mirrored at the federal level by a socialist Liberal government, it seems. Fear not Nigel, your fondest wishes may yet soon come true.
Instead of presenting more links, at this point I'll settle for a personal anecdote re: Ontario solar powered lighting.
About 10 years ago or so, in the intersection below my Ottawa apartment window, a perfectly good streetlamp with one brightly shining light on one of its sides was made GREENER by installing instead two far dimmer solar powered lights (one on each of its sides), with a solar panel way up on top of the lamp. For a while the solar powered lights hardly shined very long at night at all, until after a long wait, workmen came again and again, and, by trial and error, had the lamp's solar panel pushed to a more effective angle of orientation in order to store some of the daylight's solar power (at least on sunny days). You see, I live in a city, and its share of tall buildings alone tend to block the sun at times. Anyway, as winters came for the first year or two, workmen would occasionally come to brush off the snow way up on top of the solar panel. The workman ceased coming after a while, so that on winter days in the years since, often neither solar powered light shines at all at night until the frequent buildup of snow and/or ice eventually melt off the solar panel enough for it to start storing the sun's rays sufficiently for the lights to function at night. At least a half a dozen years ago, one of the lights apparently burned out, but as I wrote workmen have long since ceased coming to play with my solar powered lamp in the street, which now is twice as dim as it ever was. Luckily, there are still enough nearby old fashioned streetlamps for people not to be mugged and robbed at night.
Your green socialist Liberal Ontario government in action.
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Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
Neither the federal nor the Ontario government are socialist.
At least some sources say so. Justin Trudeau ran left of the NDP at the federal level; here's one link re: the socialist approach of the Ontario Liberal government (on the social engineering side, the Ontario premier insisted on ramming though a radical elementary school sex-ed agenda, for example, that included discussion of her 6 gender types. I'd post a family-friendly link that's viewable, if I could find one, if you really insist):
Fwiw, Trudeau the father was a socialist in his time. We still suffer from all that 1970s social engineering. We gave up most of our spending on national defence to further advance the welfare state, for instance.
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Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
You can never go too wrong with coffee. It looks like its the Donald vs. Hillary. May we live in interesting times.
It may not really matter who becomes US Prez. At least according to one so-called comedian in the states I heard about some time ago. He opined that shortly after a president is elected, the real powers that be take him/her 11 floors down in the White House, and show them the Zapruder film of the JFK assasination. Anyway, fwiw, apparently formerly cocky Obama looked nervous as hell when he was first sworn in during his first term, muffing some of the words of the oath of office.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
Personally I think there's all sorts of real global pollution that can be cleaned up, with managing the environment being put a close second to improving our economy, without all this talk of so-called global warming.
Anyway, to try to illustrate that I'm not generally coming to my personal conclusions rather lightly, in trying to put things into perspective I set out to track down material on the overall environmental impact of WWII ...
The harmful environmental effect of war is an important topic. War is hell on so many levels. The US military is also one of the largest consumers of oil and gas in the world. Which leads to the following...
It requires an invasion of an oil-rich state to finance the next invasion of an oil-rich state.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
The harmful environmental effect of war is an important topic. War is hell on so many levels. The US military is also one of the largest consumers of oil and gas in the world. Which leads to the following...
It requires an invasion of an oil-rich state to finance the next invasion of an oil-rich state.
I'm glad we can agree on things now and then, Nigel. Otherwise, normally being an unashamed reactionary may be one of the few saving graces that I have. :D
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
Re: It requires an invasion of an oil-rich state to finance the next invasion ...
Fwiw, the latest investigation into the Ontario Liberal gov't linked below; too bad that the OPP are in the pocket of that gov't, as anyone paying attention may conclude (not to mention that at the federal level, the RCMP can't seem to screen out a seriously disturbed applicant for employment, as one well-publicized ongoing trial in Ottawa would suggest):
Re: It requires an invasion of an oil-rich state to finance the next invasion ...
A link that may interest Vlad Dr., at least; one can set to search the weather data for April 2016, then note that there were at least a few days in Windsor (the southernmost point in Canada) with at least some snowfall. The Cdn. gov't doesn't make it easy with this format to find out the average temperature for Windsor historically, but still using the link alone, the April average and extremes don't look very toasty, to me at least:
I'll now see if I can dig up a similar link for Alert (way up in the Arctic).
P.S. Yes, there's April weather data for 2016 for Alert available too. I wonder whether there was a warmer April average on Mars somewhere that month ;) :
[edit: I tried to get similar April 2016 weather data for Churchill, Manitoba, roughly the geographic centre of Canada I'd guess (it would have been a more strategic place for a national capital in case we were ever invaded again, I can't resist saying. In Ottawa we have coyotes etc., while in Churchill there is only the occasional polar bear :D ). Strangely there is no data to be found for this location, even though the data is available for Alert. Limited Cdn. gov't resources? Anyway, below is a link for Winnipeg's weather data. Seems like it was a chilly month there in April 2016 on average, too.]
The Leap Manifesto is long on aspirations and short on detail. It was clearly not written by politicians and will never be adopted by the NDP as policy.
Here's a poll showing significant Canadian support for the Leap Manifesto (what did I predict early in this thread?? I TOLLLD you so . I'm a political genius when I don't follow my principles):
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