Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

[Paul Bonham]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Well, we don't know the fallout yet of the new FBI investigation, but here is a wild scenario to consider:

Clinton's lead collapses.
She still gets all the Blue states, but the battleground states, not so much.
The Financial Times predictor has 263 electoral college votes for Clinton in blue states.
If she can add Colorado or North Carolina, she wins.

But if she wins no battleground states, she is stuck at 263.
Independent candidate, Evan McMullin wins Utah - 6 votes.
Trump wins all the rest, but comes up short at 269. The most, but you need 270 to win.

Then it goes to the House, where they choose a President from among the 3 top contenders.
Who do they pick: Trump, Clinton, or McMullin?

The senate picks the VP from the 2 top contenders.
Who do they pick: Pense or Kaine?

Good point, Bob: the winner of the electoral college vote (538 total electors) must win an ABSOLUTE MAJORITY of that vote, meaning 270 electoral votes. Your scenario would have Trump falling just one electoral vote short of that with 269, not enough to win even though Clinton would have in your scenarion 6 less than Trump.

This gives some insight into one reason that there isn't a history of 3 or more strong parties in U.S. elections. If there were, the electoral college vote would rarely see a winner.

Also, in your scenario, each Representative of the House does not get a vote for President. Rather, each "state delegation" gets one vote with District of Columbia not getting a vote, so 50 total votes are cast. And again, absolute majority is needed, so 26 states must vote for the winner. Balloting continues until this happens. So states with smaller populations (for example Wyoming, Montana, Nevada) have an equal say with more populous states like California and New York.

Imagine if the state delegations decided en masse that neither Hillary nor Donald are qualified to be President and voted in McMullin?

And then, before McMullin can even get a decent security contingent to protect him (I'm assuming he doesn't have one right now, but maybe he does), some lunatic assassinates him to put Pence or Kaine into the Presidency? And if it's Pence, he appoints Ted Cruz as VP, announcing that he (Pence) never really liked Trump to begin with? Or if it's Kaine, he appoints Bernie Sanders?

Or even better! Pence becomes President via Senate vote (VP) and then McMullin assassination, then Pence appoints Trump VP, then Pence tells Trump to spend the next 4 years working with black people to bring them over to Republican Party. Then Trump resigns, saying he never really had any interest in working with black people!

Lots of stuff there for historical novelists to work with.


So what is the polling for McMullin in Utah? Is he favored to win, or at least within the margin of error?

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Clinton's lead collapses.

Check.

Crooked Hillary's lead in the latest IBD poll is sinking like a sunset, down 2 from 4.

I wonder if Trump can stick to script for only nine days ... and watch his IBD poll numbers overtake crooked Hillary ... um, no probably not.

[Ed Seedhouse]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Check.
Crooked Hillary's lead in the latest IBD poll is sinking like a sunset, down 2 from 4.

In one poll, a two percent change, well within the margin of error of such individual polls. I hope you don't play the stock market on such "knowledge".

And calling someone crooked doesn't make them crooked. She has neither been charged nor convicted of any crime. Today a woman testified under oath before a judge, under penalty of perjury if she lies, to being raped by Donald Trump. He, like Hillary, is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

So what is the polling for McMullin in Utah? Is he favored to win, or at least within the margin of error?

Utah is a close 3 way race between McMullin, Trump, and Clinton!
McMullin is on the ballot in 11 states. He has some support in Idaho and Wyoming.

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

And calling someone crooked doesn't make them crooked. She has neither been charged nor convicted of any crime.

Thanks Ed. Trump has this childish habit of tagging someone: Crooked Hilary, Lying Ted, Little Marco, etc. and then repeating it endlessly. Juvenile yes, but effective if his supporters then mindlessly repeat it ad nauseum instead of demanding real solutions from their candidate. Sad really.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Thanks Ed. Trump has this childish habit of tagging someone: Crooked Hilary, Lying Ted, Little Marco, etc. and then repeating it endlessly. Juvenile yes, but effective if his supporters then mindlessly repeat it ad nauseum instead of demanding real solutions from their candidate. Sad really.

I thought she had embraced the last label of nasty woman.

[Ed Seedhouse]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

I thought she had embraced the last label of nasty woman.

I am with anyone that Trump thinks is nasty. I regard that as a positive character recommendation.

[Ed Seedhouse]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Thanks Ed. Trump has this childish habit of tagging someone: Crooked Hilary, Lying Ted, Little Marco, etc. and then repeating it endlessly. Juvenile yes, but effective if his supporters then mindlessly repeat it ad nauseum instead of demanding real solutions from their candidate. Sad really.

But if he becomes President he will swear an oath to obey the constitution, which says that every person is innocent before the law until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Calling anyone who hasn't been convicted a criminal is a direct contravention of that constitution. Which would only be expected from Trump, of course, who gives no evidence of ever having read that document.

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

But if he becomes President he will swear an oath to obey the constitution, which says that every person is innocent before the law until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Calling anyone who hasn't been convicted a criminal is a direct contravention of that constitution. Which would only be expected from Trump, of course, who gives no evidence of ever having read that document.

Trump swearing an oath?

For someone who lies effortlessly,
has no sense of ethics or morality,

Meaningless.

[Ed Seedhouse]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Trump swearing an oath?

For someone who lies effortlessly,
has no sense of ethics or morality,

Meaningless.

Well, except that violating the constitution is a "high crime" that would justify impeachment, but a Republican congress would never do that, of course, whereas the minute Hillary takes office I more or less expect the impeachment procedures to start in the house.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Trump swearing an oath?

For someone who lies effortlessly,
has no sense of ethics or morality,

Meaningless.

And this is different from Hillary how? Trump is bad. Hillary is worse. Isn't there an Eminem song about bad meeting evil?

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

And this is different from Hillary how? Trump is bad. Hillary is worse. Isn't there an Eminem song about bad meeting evil?

Vlad, I think we disagree on a very profound level.
I don't want to waste any time arguing which one is worst: we should just agree to disagree.

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Crooked Hillary is shackled to her misdeeds. IBD tracking poll has her lead collapsed down to just 1.

I hope Trump appoints Rudy Giuliani to prosecute her!

[Ed Seedhouse]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

Vlad, I think we disagree on a very profound level.
I don't want to waste any time arguing which one is worst: we should just agree to disagree.

Not to mention that there is no evidence that Hillary has lied to anywhere near the extent that Donald has. But Vlad D. is not alone there in his separate reality.

[Walter De Jong]

Re: Rex Sinquefeld's endorsement of Donald Trump

I don't want to waste any time arguing which one is worst: we should just agree to disagree.

The 2016 election campaign has certainly been an eye-opener for me, reflecting as it does the nature of the American electorate. This thread makes it clear that similar divisions exist in Canada. My vote next week probably won't matter much since NY isn't a swing state. Although this election, I guess you never know.