Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

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  • #61
    Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

    Well, if you insist on having more mistakes, just shorten the time control... That will take care of everything.

    Have the world championship be decided by 1h+30 sec. per move games. You could probably squeeze 3 games a day and have the whole thing done in 12 days, including rest days.

    Day 1: games 1-3
    Day 2: games 4-6
    Day 3: rest day
    and so on...

    And imagine how exciting it would be! With 3 games a day, one player would have the advantage on odd days, and the other on even days.

    Or you could have them play with the same colors for the whole day! So much excitement!!
    Last edited by Mathieu Cloutier; Sunday, 27th November, 2016, 11:01 PM.

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    • #62
      Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

      Originally posted by Mathieu Cloutier View Post
      Well, if you insist on having more mistakes, just shorten the time control... That will take care of everything.

      Have the world championship be decided by 1h+30 sec. per move games. You could probably squeeze 3 games a day and have the whole thing done in 12 days, including rest days.

      Day 1: games 1-3
      Day 2: games 4-6
      Day 3: rest day
      and so on...

      And imagine how exciting it would be! With 3 games a day, one player would have the advantage on odd days, and the other on even days.

      Or you could have them play with the same colors for the whole day! So much excitement!!

      All you are doing is proving what an a-hole troll you are. You bitch about boring games, and when someone proposes something, you have nothing but criticism for that. No solutions coming from your little peabrain. I think another poster suggested you take up tiddlywinks, but you'll do nothing but criticize that game as well. You're like a yappy little dog and I for one am kicking you to the curb.
      Only the rushing is heard...
      Onward flies the bird.

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      • #63
        Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

        Come on, now. At least my proposition is more realistic than having two 6 hours games... in one day.

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        • #64
          Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

          I've heard they play 4 rapid games and then up to 10 blitz games at 5+3s before going to armaggedon.

          At least there's a very high probability of avoiding the world championship being decided on a drawn game.

          Still think Carlsen will push a bit today. But probably not enough.

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          • #65
            Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

            Originally posted by Mathieu Cloutier View Post
            I've heard they play 4 rapid games and then up to 10 blitz games at 5+3s before going to armaggedon.

            At least there's a very high probability of avoiding the world championship being decided on a drawn game.

            Still think Carlsen will push a bit today. But probably not enough.
            I think it is a disgrace that the World Championship may be decided by Rapid or Blitz or (even worse) an Armageddon game... Nonsense.
            More B.S. from IllusionOf and FIDE.
            ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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            • #66
              Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

              Draw. Very disappointing, I guess both players are prepared to fight it out in the playoffs. I wonder what the paying customers think.

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              • #67
                Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
                I think it is a disgrace that the World Championship may be decided by Rapid or Blitz or (even worse) an Armageddon game... Nonsense.
                More B.S. from IllusionOf and FIDE.
                Problem is, you can't play classical chess as a tiebreak. It could keep going forever and would be a logistics nightmare for everyone, including the players. So you need a solution.

                Rapid I don't mind much. Some great games were played in rapid tiebreaks.

                Blitz I agree is nonsense. At this pace it's a different game. And armageddon... I mean, it's different set of rules.

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                • #68
                  Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                  Bloomberg has an interesting piece on the WC match:

                  The Strange Politics of the World Chess Championship
                  Only the rushing is heard...
                  Onward flies the bird.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                    The players agreed to a draw at the earliest possible point, move 30. On to tiebreaks beginning Wednesday at 2 p.m. EST. A match of four rapid games (25+10) followed, if needed, by five two-game blitz matches (5+3) and then, if all else has failed, the Championship of the World will be decided by an Armageddon (5 min White, 4 Black with draw odds). Should be exciting but purists will not be happy to have it end this way.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                      Gordon wrote:

                      Armageddon (5 min White, 4 Black with draw odds)
                      In addition - after 60 moves in the Armageddon game, there will be 3-second increments.

                      https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/r...match_2016.pdf

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                      • #71
                        Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                        Originally posted by Mathieu Cloutier View Post
                        Well, if you insist on having more mistakes, just shorten the time control... That will take care of everything.

                        Have the world championship be decided by 1h+30 sec. per move games. You could probably squeeze 3 games a day and have the whole thing done in 12 days, including rest days.

                        Day 1: games 1-3
                        Day 2: games 4-6
                        Day 3: rest day
                        and so on...

                        And imagine how exciting it would be! With 3 games a day, one player would have the advantage on odd days, and the other on even days.

                        Or you could have them play with the same colors for the whole day! So much excitement!!
                        OK 24 games at regular time control:
                        first 8 - 1 round a day.
                        rest day
                        second 8 - 2 rounds a day (4 days).
                        rest day.
                        third 8 - 3 rounds a day (2 days) and after last game continue playing 24 hours a day until someone wins.
                        17 days maximum. Ha Ha.

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                        • #72
                          Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                          OK, it all makes sense now.

                          Carlsen's strategy all along was/is to win the championship on his birthday as a gift to himself!

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                          • #73
                            Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                            I like the old system... 24 game match, If the match ended in a 12–12 tie, the defending champion would retain the title.. I think this is the best system they have had so far.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                              Originally posted by Taylor Waite View Post
                              I like the old system... 24 game match, If the match ended in a 12–12 tie, the defending champion would retain the title.. I think this is the best system they have had so far.
                              I would agree. Giving a [slight] edge to the champion by requiring the challenger to not tie but actually defeat him/her in a proper match is fine.
                              The number of games in the match could be argued forever, but 24 seems long enough; 12 is certainly too low.

                              Artificial attempts to define a tie break are just ridiculous in my view. May as well just use rock, paper, scissors... as use some other form of 'chess'.
                              ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                                Games of the Carlsen-Karjakin W.C.C. Match

                                November 29, 2016

                                Game Twelve
                                World Championship
                                New York City
                                Game 12, Nov. 28, 2016
                                Carlsen, Magnus – Karjakin, Sergey
                                C67 Ruy Lopez, Berlin Defence, Open Variation

                                1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6 4.O-O Nxe4 5.Re1 Nd6 6.Nxe5 Be7 7.Bf1 Nxe5 8.Rxe5 O-O 9.d4 Bf6 10.Re1 Re8 11.Bf4 Rxe1 12.Qxe1 Ne8 13.c3 d5 14.Bd3 g6 15.Na3 c6 16.Nc2 Ng7 17.Qd2 Bf5 18.Bxf5 Nxf5 19.Ne3 Nxe3 20.Qxe3 Qe7 21.Qxe7 Bxe7 22.Re1 Bf8 23.Kf1 f6 24.g4 Kf7 25.h3 Re8 26.Rxe8 Kxe8 27.Ke2 Kd7 28.Kd3 Ke6 29.a4 a6 30.f3 Be7 1/2-1/2

                                Carlsen opened with 1 e4 and after Karjakin replied 1… e5, Carlsen steered for the same line of the Berlin Defense that had brought him so close to success in Game 3. But this time, Karjakin played more cautiously and easily neutralized Carlsen’s minute advantage as most of the pieces were rapidly traded off.

                                Some spectators, who thought that Carlsen might try to be a bit more ambitious in his final regulation game with White, were disappointed by the somewhat insipid play.

                                In the press conference afterward, Carlsen apologized to fans and said that he felt no need to risk being too aggressive. For his part, Karjakin said that he was of course satisfied to draw so easily with Black. He also said that there was some potential venom in the line that Carlsen had played, but that he had prepared for it.

                                Ilya Merenzon, the chief executive of Agon, the organizer of the championship, announced that, in light of the quick draw, all tickets for Game 12 would be honored for the tie-breakers on Wednesday.

                                The tie-breaker will commence with a series of four rapid games, played at the rate of 25 minutes per player per game, with 10 seconds added after each move. If the players are still tied after the rapid games, they will then play two blitz games. If those blitz games do not produce a winner, they will play another set of two and continue that way up to a total of five sets of blitz games. If there is still no winner, Carlsen and Karjakin will play an Armageddon game in which White has five minutes and Black has four, but Black only has to draw to win the match.

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                                - The match is to determine World Champion of chess, not World Champion of classical chess. In that sense having tiebreaks containing rapid and then blitz make sense in both commercial and chess point of view.

                                - Right! If you want to have a World Championship of Classical Chess, make them play until someone proves he's much better than the other guy, or until one of two players with equal skills drops dead from exhaustion and finally loses the match, like the old days.

                                Whoever wins THIS match is the World Chess Champion. Thank you

                                - I've been saying for long time that there are people working hard to kill classical chess. Yesterday maybe Carlsen gave the last shot. Ethically, for me, Magnus, no matter what happens in tie-breaks, will not be World Champion anymore.

                                On the other hand, the tie-breaks, as it is raised, do not make sense. As it has been said in this forum, the logical thing is that the first tie had to do with the victory with black pieces, in this way Karjakin would be deserved World Champion.

                                - Chess history has several matches with a high share of drawn games. I've already mentioned Capablanca-Alekhine and Karpov-Kasparov (K-K had 8 decisive games out of 48, which is exactly the same ratio as 2/12 as seen in Anand-Gelfand and Carlsen-Karjakin).

                                1910 Lasker-Schlechter had 2 wins out of 10 games. 1021 Lasker-Capablanca had 1 win out of the first 9 games. Capablanca only started winning games after Lasker became physically exhausted due to age and climate.

                                I agree with you that the draw rate has been high in this match as well as Anand-Gelfand. And I further agree with you that this has more to do with the players' styles and not the match format. This is exactly why I don't advocate anything as drastic as rating wins with the black pieces higher, or changing the format back to "first player to wins six games is champion".

                                I'd like somewhat longer matches than only 12 games. But I think depending on the players' style; we will have matches with more decisive games in the future, anyway, regardless of the specific rules.

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