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Well, if you insist on having more mistakes, just shorten the time control... That will take care of everything.
Have the world championship be decided by 1h+30 sec. per move games. You could probably squeeze 3 games a day and have the whole thing done in 12 days, including rest days.
Day 1: games 1-3
Day 2: games 4-6
Day 3: rest day
and so on...
And imagine how exciting it would be! With 3 games a day, one player would have the advantage on odd days, and the other on even days.
Or you could have them play with the same colors for the whole day! So much excitement!!
Last edited by Mathieu Cloutier; Sunday, 27th November, 2016, 11:01 PM.
Well, if you insist on having more mistakes, just shorten the time control... That will take care of everything.
Have the world championship be decided by 1h+30 sec. per move games. You could probably squeeze 3 games a day and have the whole thing done in 12 days, including rest days.
Day 1: games 1-3
Day 2: games 4-6
Day 3: rest day
and so on...
And imagine how exciting it would be! With 3 games a day, one player would have the advantage on odd days, and the other on even days.
Or you could have them play with the same colors for the whole day! So much excitement!!
All you are doing is proving what an a-hole troll you are. You bitch about boring games, and when someone proposes something, you have nothing but criticism for that. No solutions coming from your little peabrain. I think another poster suggested you take up tiddlywinks, but you'll do nothing but criticize that game as well. You're like a yappy little dog and I for one am kicking you to the curb.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
I've heard they play 4 rapid games and then up to 10 blitz games at 5+3s before going to armaggedon.
At least there's a very high probability of avoiding the world championship being decided on a drawn game.
Still think Carlsen will push a bit today. But probably not enough.
I think it is a disgrace that the World Championship may be decided by Rapid or Blitz or (even worse) an Armageddon game... Nonsense.
More B.S. from IllusionOf and FIDE.
I think it is a disgrace that the World Championship may be decided by Rapid or Blitz or (even worse) an Armageddon game... Nonsense.
More B.S. from IllusionOf and FIDE.
Problem is, you can't play classical chess as a tiebreak. It could keep going forever and would be a logistics nightmare for everyone, including the players. So you need a solution.
Rapid I don't mind much. Some great games were played in rapid tiebreaks.
Blitz I agree is nonsense. At this pace it's a different game. And armageddon... I mean, it's different set of rules.
The players agreed to a draw at the earliest possible point, move 30. On to tiebreaks beginning Wednesday at 2 p.m. EST. A match of four rapid games (25+10) followed, if needed, by five two-game blitz matches (5+3) and then, if all else has failed, the Championship of the World will be decided by an Armageddon (5 min White, 4 Black with draw odds). Should be exciting but purists will not be happy to have it end this way.
Well, if you insist on having more mistakes, just shorten the time control... That will take care of everything.
Have the world championship be decided by 1h+30 sec. per move games. You could probably squeeze 3 games a day and have the whole thing done in 12 days, including rest days.
Day 1: games 1-3
Day 2: games 4-6
Day 3: rest day
and so on...
And imagine how exciting it would be! With 3 games a day, one player would have the advantage on odd days, and the other on even days.
Or you could have them play with the same colors for the whole day! So much excitement!!
OK 24 games at regular time control:
first 8 - 1 round a day.
rest day
second 8 - 2 rounds a day (4 days).
rest day.
third 8 - 3 rounds a day (2 days) and after last game continue playing 24 hours a day until someone wins.
17 days maximum. Ha Ha.
I like the old system... 24 game match, If the match ended in a 12–12 tie, the defending champion would retain the title.. I think this is the best system they have had so far.
I like the old system... 24 game match, If the match ended in a 12–12 tie, the defending champion would retain the title.. I think this is the best system they have had so far.
I would agree. Giving a [slight] edge to the champion by requiring the challenger to not tie but actually defeat him/her in a proper match is fine.
The number of games in the match could be argued forever, but 24 seems long enough; 12 is certainly too low.
Artificial attempts to define a tie break are just ridiculous in my view. May as well just use rock, paper, scissors... as use some other form of 'chess'.
Carlsen opened with 1 e4 and after Karjakin replied 1… e5, Carlsen steered for the same line of the Berlin Defense that had brought him so close to success in Game 3. But this time, Karjakin played more cautiously and easily neutralized Carlsen’s minute advantage as most of the pieces were rapidly traded off.
Some spectators, who thought that Carlsen might try to be a bit more ambitious in his final regulation game with White, were disappointed by the somewhat insipid play.
In the press conference afterward, Carlsen apologized to fans and said that he felt no need to risk being too aggressive. For his part, Karjakin said that he was of course satisfied to draw so easily with Black. He also said that there was some potential venom in the line that Carlsen had played, but that he had prepared for it.
Ilya Merenzon, the chief executive of Agon, the organizer of the championship, announced that, in light of the quick draw, all tickets for Game 12 would be honored for the tie-breakers on Wednesday.
The tie-breaker will commence with a series of four rapid games, played at the rate of 25 minutes per player per game, with 10 seconds added after each move. If the players are still tied after the rapid games, they will then play two blitz games. If those blitz games do not produce a winner, they will play another set of two and continue that way up to a total of five sets of blitz games. If there is still no winner, Carlsen and Karjakin will play an Armageddon game in which White has five minutes and Black has four, but Black only has to draw to win the match.
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- The match is to determine World Champion of chess, not World Champion of classical chess. In that sense having tiebreaks containing rapid and then blitz make sense in both commercial and chess point of view.
- Right! If you want to have a World Championship of Classical Chess, make them play until someone proves he's much better than the other guy, or until one of two players with equal skills drops dead from exhaustion and finally loses the match, like the old days.
Whoever wins THIS match is the World Chess Champion. Thank you
- I've been saying for long time that there are people working hard to kill classical chess. Yesterday maybe Carlsen gave the last shot. Ethically, for me, Magnus, no matter what happens in tie-breaks, will not be World Champion anymore.
On the other hand, the tie-breaks, as it is raised, do not make sense. As it has been said in this forum, the logical thing is that the first tie had to do with the victory with black pieces, in this way Karjakin would be deserved World Champion.
- Chess history has several matches with a high share of drawn games. I've already mentioned Capablanca-Alekhine and Karpov-Kasparov (K-K had 8 decisive games out of 48, which is exactly the same ratio as 2/12 as seen in Anand-Gelfand and Carlsen-Karjakin).
1910 Lasker-Schlechter had 2 wins out of 10 games. 1021 Lasker-Capablanca had 1 win out of the first 9 games. Capablanca only started winning games after Lasker became physically exhausted due to age and climate.
I agree with you that the draw rate has been high in this match as well as Anand-Gelfand. And I further agree with you that this has more to do with the players' styles and not the match format. This is exactly why I don't advocate anything as drastic as rating wins with the black pieces higher, or changing the format back to "first player to wins six games is champion".
I'd like somewhat longer matches than only 12 games. But I think depending on the players' style; we will have matches with more decisive games in the future, anyway, regardless of the specific rules.
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