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The article you have cited is before the anti Israel Dec 23 UN resolution where even former Obama Supporters like Dershowitz characterized it as a "stab in the back". Obama timed this for after the election knowing that the results would have been very different among Jewish voters before the election had he done it then.
That is the first semi good question I have seen you post in this discussion. http://www.dailynews.com/government-...ael-resolution
The article also does not define differences within Judaism. They mention they are asking people to identify themselves as Jews. But the question I wonder is what differences exist in voters who are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Secular Judaism etc. I would guess the more towards orthodoxy, the more pro-Israel and the more likely to vote for Trump.
Sid, do you believe that if they separated this article into kinds of Judaism, it would change the overall percentages significantly between groups?
The article you have cited is before the anti Israel Dec 23 UN resolution where even former Obama Supporters like Dershowitz characterized it as a "stab in the back". Obama timed this for after the election knowing that the results would have been very different among Jewish voters before the election had he done it then.
Thanks for backing your point up with statistics, ya fuckin' scholar.............
And--OH MAN--you think Obama single-handedly orchestrated the date of the vote of a UN Security Council measure to fall after the election to what, trick Jews? You're a paranoid, self-important, deluded conspiracy theorist.
You're a joke, guy. A scared old man whose world is passing him by. I have bad news for you. Republicans are old. Democrats are young. Your supporters are dying. You're dying. We'll all outlive you. We'll institute the world we want and you won't be able to stop us, because you'll be dead and dying, tumbling into obscurity on the wrong side of middle age. This is the life lived by every conservative who reaches old age, and it's been that way as long as there has been progress. Resign yourself to it. You have no say in the matter.
everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)
Thanks for backing your point up with statistics, ya fuckin' scholar.............
And--OH MAN--you think Obama single-handedly orchestrated the date of the vote of a UN Security Council measure to fall after the election to what, trick Jews? You're a paranoid, self-important, deluded conspiracy theorist.
You're a joke, guy. A scared old man whose world is passing him by. I have bad news for you. Republicans are old. Democrats are young. Your supporters are dying. You're dying. We'll all outlive you. We'll institute the world we want and you won't be able to stop us, because you'll be dead and dying, tumbling into obscurity on the wrong side of middle age. This is the life lived by every conservative who reaches old age, and it's been that way as long as there has been progress. Resign yourself to it. You have no say in the matter.
Originally posted by Ben Daswani
You're a paranoid, self-important, deluded conspiracy theorist.
Why are you so angry Ben? Are you upset that others around here are finally seeing you for what you are? Or perhaps that America is finally seeing what the causes are really about that you are so infatuated with.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Thursday, 29th June, 2017, 08:37 PM.
This is what y'all wanted. This is what y'all knew was coming. The most powerful man in the world attacked a woman for her appearance, and that's normal.
Wow, this is not very Christian behaviour. Why is he using his position of power to spread hate, rather than love and acceptance?
Wow, this is not very Christian behaviour. Why is he using his position of power to spread hate, rather than love and acceptance?
Trump in this respect is very immature and thin skinned and this type of behavior which is nothing new for him and well known long before the election, is indeed unacceptable. Unfortunately releasing 20% of the Uranium in the US in addition to massive Uranium mines in Kazakhstan to Vladimir Putin in exchange for a bribe as per the actions of Secretary Clinton was a much more pressing problem among others for many Americans during the election and had to decide which deficiency is worst.
This does not mean that Americans that voted for Trump supported everything about him or all of his policies as has been suggested by Ben here. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...opriate-240092
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Thursday, 29th June, 2017, 06:20 PM.
The article also does not define differences within Judaism. They mention they are asking people to identify themselves as Jews. But the question I wonder is what differences exist in voters who are Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Secular Judaism etc. I would guess the more towards orthodoxy, the more pro-Israel and the more likely to vote for Trump.
Sid, do you believe that if they separated this article into kinds of Judaism, it would change the overall percentages significantly between groups?
Mavros
That is an interesting point. The last paper i could find that made distinctions between Jews by Religion and those that did not was Pew research in Oct 2013. Jews have been traditionally liberal Democratic so the votes cast are very much along partisan lines. However, Jews by religion are more likely to lean towards the Republican party lines The anti Israel agenda of the Obama administration was overwhelmingly obvious despite partisan lines that the Jewish vote is split along. Old voting habits die hard so time will tell. Even traditional high profile Jewish democrats such as famed defense attorney Allan Dershowitz found what Obama did to be disgusting and considered it a true betrayal. http://www.pewforum.org/2013/10/01/c...litical-views/
However, Jews by religion are more likely to lean towards the Republican party lines
From your own source:
Jews by religion are more than twice as likely as members of most other religious traditions to describe themselves as politically liberal. And black Protestants are the only religious group with a larger share than Jews by religion that identifies with or leans toward the Democratic Party.
It's like you're having a competition with yourself to see who can say the stupidest shit. And you're trouncing the opposition.
everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)
Remind me again, where was your 'christian' outrage for any of the following:
Snoop Dogg: Trump point blank assassination?
Kathy Griifin: Trump bloody severed head mask?
Johnny Depp: Trump death threat?
Personally, I'm more concerned about the actions of the president of the United States than those of celebrities. I'm also not quite sure what any of those people have to do with anything pertaining to Christianity.
"You might say: well, there are far more Jews opposing Trump than those supporting him. And this is true, but it is not the whole truth. When one counts all Jews – then yes, many more of them oppose Trump. But the fact that Jews from the groups who support Trump tend to be more active in the Jewish community, and more intensely engaged with Judaism (look at Pew’s numbers and see for yourself), complicates the picture. In Jewish organizations, among voters with strong Jewish consciousness, the pro-Trump and anti-Trump camps become more balanced."
Yes you are correct, it should have been "Jews who tend to be more active in the community" not by religion. In any event your idea was no Israel conspiracy because majority of Jews are democratic leaning. That is simply wrong.
Originally posted by Ben Daswani
And--OH MAN--you think Obama single-handedly orchestrated the date of the vote of a UN Security Council measure to fall after the election to what, trick Jews? You're a paranoid, self-important, deluded conspiracy theorist.
If you did even any research you would have noticed this and the other articles I previously posted.Of course you would like to forget about that. http://www.thewrap.com/alan-dershowitz/
Or is Alan Dershowitz and even Bejamin Netanyahu himself also in the same category of "cospiracy theorists"?
i agree with Ken J Macdonald's approach enough back and forth... "bye bye". as he said, you are indeed "so easy " Go march with your young fellow co thugs depicted in Tom O'Donnell's reference articles and beat up anyone that has different political ideas. You can mindlessly march around chanting meaningless slogans and regurgitating whatever propaganda is stuffed into your empty little head. You don't even need a brain for this, a spinal chord is more then sufficient. Right up your alley!
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Friday, 30th June, 2017, 12:46 AM.
The LGBT expels Jews from their March, BLM declares Israel a apartheid genocidal state, Clinton's campaign discussed using Sanders Jewish heritage as way to portray a unfavorable view(read all about in Wikileaks). You worry about others rights well guess what, I am going worry about my rights for a change. I have more then one relative still alive today that survived this nice place called Auschwitz, one of whom lives in Sweden, the liberals in Malmo have allowed Islamic radicals to overrun the place and terrorize jews. He consider's the Islamic apologist attitude of the democrats both in Sweden and America and their anti Israel stance as fascist and definitely not mere hyperbole. He certainly would not call the characterization of the liberal Democrats as fascist or hyperbole as disrespectful to the suffering he endured in the past.
The lack of tolerance you have displayed as well as the numerous examples that Tom Odonnell has shown of other democrats clearly demonstrates the approach of the Fascists. I have forgotten more about what Fascism is then you know. It is your approach my friend and that of millions of democrats that is disrespectful to the memories of those that paid the ultimate price to be free to chose any religion or political party that they want and have the freedom to express their views. Put that in your huka and smoke it.
World War II was NOT fought for democracy and being free to choose any religion or political party that one wants, nor for being free to express views. In fact, those were the very things that allowed the rise to power of Hitler... from Wikipedia:
"After his release in 1924, Hitler gained popular support by attacking the Treaty of Versailles and promoting Pan-Germanism, anti-semitism, and anti-communism with charismatic oratory and Nazi propaganda. Hitler frequently denounced international capitalism and communism as being part of a Jewish conspiracy.
By 1933, the Nazi Party was the largest elected party in the German Reichstag, which led to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor on 30 January 1933. Following fresh elections won by his coalition, the Reichstag passed the Enabling Act, which began the process of transforming the Weimar Republic into Nazi Germany, a one-party dictatorship based on the totalitarian and autocratic ideology of National Socialism. Hitler aimed to eliminate Jews from Germany and establish a New Order to counter what he saw as the injustice of the post-World War I international order dominated by Britain and France."
Democracy can and often will give rise to Hitlers. It is easy in times of hardship to spread a message of hate against a visible group and for that message to percolate and rise to the top. It is human nature to want an identifiable target for one's problems.
Trump mastered this during the campaign with his rhetoric against Muslims, against Mexicans, against China. And now even in his Presidency, Trump continues to exhibit Hitler-like tendencies: he fights against "so-called judges" who thwart his policies of hate, and if he could, Trump would pass his OWN "Enabling Act" which would reduce the judicial branch to nothing.
Sid, if you really want us to believe you are inspired in your voting preference mainly by a few of your Auschwitz-surviving relatives, you would be much more believable if you couldn't support Trump because of his Hitler-like behavior. But instead, you cast your supposed idealism aside and claim you would have supported Trump because he seems to you better for Israel. Therefore, your idealism is shattered, as you only consider it vis-a-vis Israel and totally disregard other groups that can also be targets of genocidal-type hatred.
Don't try and hide behind anti-hate idealism when you don't actually have a trace amount of that in your blood. You're just pro-Israel, and nothing else. And if all the U.S. voters who voted just as you would have, on what was best for Israel, were to have their votes removed from the last election, the effect would have been negligible. There aren't many Americans percentage-wise who care more about Israel than anything else, and most of the ones that do live in NY, which is overwhelmingly Democrat. And again, this story of yours about Hillary selling stakes in uranium to Russia to gain Foundation donations, it's just not believable and no prosecutor would even venture into that. It smacks of desperado, just someone looking for anything against Clinton. I do believe you have some personal grudge against her from your business past (which itself is very very secretive) that clouds your judgment.
I think after all that has been written that this is the basic difference between you and Ben Daswani, and Ben very expertly laid it bare. Ben actually seems to have some idealism, against any form of hatred and prejudice. You do not.
For you to convince me that you really are motivated by the horrors of Auschwitz, you would need to totally repudiate Trump. It's more than just Israel, it's more than just Jews. It's HATRED against any specific group that should have no place, no quarter, in civilized societies.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
There are bad actors among both liberals and conservatives. The difference is that those who behave like fascists among liberals are always supporters, not the politicians themselves. Of course there are fascists of the left. But they don't rise to the Presidency. Donald Trump suggested that "Second Amendment people" deal with Hillary Clinton. That's promoting violence. That's your Presidential candidate promoting violence against his competitor. That's fascist. Here's your precious Fox News reporting on a Republican politician bodyslamming a reporter. That's actual fascism.
So what if some liberal protester punches someone else in the face, or pepper sprays them, or whatever. I'm not supporting them. We just happen to support the same political party. That's not the same as what you're doing; you're supporting a man who promotes violence against his political opponents. You're supporting a party that has men who grab reporters by the neck and throw them to the ground when asked about healthcare. If you're a person who's going to lose healthcare if Obamacare is repealed, who do you see as the fucking fascist?
everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)
if he could, Trump would pass his OWN "Enabling Act" which would reduce the judicial branch to nothing.
This is the crux of Paul's argument, and one of the reasons it fails. It is a link that he uses to say Trump would be a Hitler if he could. But the democracy Paul speaks against has prevented anything like this from ever being on the table. Trump can complain all he wants, he must acknowledge that he will need to fight in courts of law, and that is ultimately what he has done - and won with. The supreme court has partially reinstated the travel ban.
Hitler tried something much different in his rise to power:
Paul does not mention the Reichstag Fire, which - whether conducted by the communist party or the Nazi party - had an aftermath that was a non-democratic action. It was used to remove the communist party from voting. So in effect it was this heinous act that comprised the democratic process. This allowed Hitler to be "elected" which Paul likes to put in bold, but it was not a fair election. It was not democratic.
Further to this, within less than two years Hitler had the "night of the long knives" conducted to obliterate political opposition and problems. Trump has not and will not do anything akin to this.
You can complain about his terrible rhetoric all you like. Trump is not a killer. However it would be great if he could tone down the inflammatory rhetoric.
Last edited by Mavros Whissell; Friday, 30th June, 2017, 01:14 PM.
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