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Another name from the past is Zhe Quan. I cant find a list of norms but Im sure he made at least one.
Sure, a very strong and talented player. But he quit chess 15 years ago, he could not be a real candidate.
Unfortunately, right now I don't see in Canada any player I could say about him "He (or she) will be a GM next 2 years for sure". Really hope to be wrong.
Unfortunately, right now I don't see in Canada any player I could say about him "He (or she) will be a GM next 2 years for sure". Really hope to be wrong.
Unfortunate situation that 2020 and probably 2021 is going down the drain for perspective players.
The list of players from 2300 and up:
Code:
# Name Title Fed Rating B-Year
5 Noritsyn, Nikolay IM CAN 2512 1991
12 Panjwani, Raja IM CAN 2448 1990
14 Plotkin, Mark IM CAN 2430 1998
15 Samsonkin, Artiom IM CAN 2428 1989
16 Song, Michael IM CAN 2421 1999
17 Thavandiran, Shiyam IM CAN 2420 1992
18 Le, Quang Long IM CAN 2420 1989
19 Krnan, Tomas IM CAN 2417 1988
20 Porper, Edward IM CAN 2398 1963
21 Kleinman, Michael IM CAN 2387 1994
22 Yu, Zong Yang FM CAN 2387 1999
23 Chiku-Ratte, Olivier-Kenta IM CAN 2377 1999
24 Plotkin, Victor FM CAN 2367 1968
25 Gerzhoy, Leonid IM CAN 2348 1987
26 Zhao, Ian FM CAN 2347 2005
27 Talukdar, Rohan FM CAN 2341 2003
28 Hebert, Jean IM CAN 2339 1957
29 Hua, Eugene FM CAN 2336 2003
30 Wang, Richard IM CAN 2336 1998
31 Cummings, David H. IM CAN 2335 1961
32 Zhang, Yuanchen FM CAN 2330 2001
33 Hartman, Brian IM CAN 2319 1957
34 Barbeau, Sylvain FM CAN 2310 1961
35 Doknjas, Joshua FM CAN 2305 2002
Before 2020, my hopes were on Mark Plotkin and Michael Song.
The late FM Todd Southam (1969-96) scored one IM norm, at the 1993 Biel Open.
Also, the late IM Frank Anderson (1928-80) had probably the saddest political outcome when dealing with FIDE. He scored one GM norm, at Amsterdam 1954 Olympiad, but was robbed of the title due to a strange scenario at the 1958 Munich Olympiad (which has now been reformed by FIDE).
There are two others I can think of. Roman Pelts made an IM norm at one of the Olympiads in Greece. Ray Stone made a couple I think; one at a World Open in Philadelphia where he defeated Larry Christiansen. Not sure of the other.
I think Ray had at least three but some expired under the rules of the day.
Unfortunate situation that 2020 and probably 2021 is going down the drain for perspective players.
The list of players from 2300 and up:
Code:
# Name Title Fed Rating B-Year
5 Noritsyn, Nikolay IM CAN 2512 1991
12 Panjwani, Raja IM CAN 2448 1990
14 Plotkin, Mark IM CAN 2430 1998
15 Samsonkin, Artiom IM CAN 2428 1989
16 Song, Michael IM CAN 2421 1999
17 Thavandiran, Shiyam IM CAN 2420 1992
18 Le, Quang Long IM CAN 2420 1989
19 Krnan, Tomas IM CAN 2417 1988
20 Porper, Edward IM CAN 2398 1963
21 Kleinman, Michael IM CAN 2387 1994
22 Yu, Zong Yang FM CAN 2387 1999
23 Chiku-Ratte, Olivier-Kenta IM CAN 2377 1999
24 Plotkin, Victor FM CAN 2367 1968
25 Gerzhoy, Leonid IM CAN 2348 1987
26 Zhao, Ian FM CAN 2347 2005
27 Talukdar, Rohan FM CAN 2341 2003
28 Hebert, Jean IM CAN 2339 1957
29 Hua, Eugene FM CAN 2336 2003
30 Wang, Richard IM CAN 2336 1998
31 Cummings, David H. IM CAN 2335 1961
32 Zhang, Yuanchen FM CAN 2330 2001
33 Hartman, Brian IM CAN 2319 1957
34 Barbeau, Sylvain FM CAN 2310 1961
35 Doknjas, Joshua FM CAN 2305 2002
Before 2020, my hopes were on Mark Plotkin and Michael Song.
Rohan Talukdar has two IM norms, both earned within one month or so of each other.
It will be good to have an IM in Windsor. It was a bit of a tragedy that Ray never got the title. My understanding was he was only a few FIDE points short. (and of course Milan Vukadinov was that strength but never had time to get his norms or play in a Canadian Zonal to get the title)
Lists always remind me of Letterman's Top 10 List...amusing, but with unclear value beyond that. In the individuals indicated, one has to consider the relative time they played to make any attempt at comparison or consideration.
For example, who since has come anywhere close to Capablanca's feat of defeating all the other participants at the 1914 St. Petersburg Event at 5-1 odds in speed chess? Who since has beaten the best with a 4.5 point margin in blitz as Fischer did in 1970? Many indicate the true indicator of the best players is whether they dominated the other top players of their time.
One must also keep in mind that for some of the players cited who were most active in the 1970s or 1980s, most events were not FIDE rated. Thus comparing Day, for instance, to any current IM relative to when he was dominate (1969-1981) is unfair to the other players...Day was clearly a GM. Several noteworthy GM's at the time were astounded when GM Spraggett broke onto the scene winning major events and ultimately in the Candidates, as he was a complete unknown beforehand, playing in mostly non-FIDE rated Canadian events. That feat may never be duplicated.
I had the great fortune to play many of the strongest players (Canadian, but also some US and European), particularly when I was most active (1984-1987), and notwithstanding any list, I have my own perspective of relative strengths. One player unmentioned, whom I had the great pleasure of playing as I represented the HCCC to a second Ontario team championship, was IM Bruce Amos - again, an extraordinary talent (and wonderful person), and again, many events he played in were not FIDE rated.
I must also mention my great mentor, IM Paul Vaitonis, 3 time Lithuanian Champion, twice Canadian Champion, and a very successful financial career and wonderful family. Of course, if not for his better judgement to find his career in finance, he most certainly would have been a GM, among others I could cite, some of whom are absent from any list.
Some players aren't playing for titles or records, they simply love chess...some of the great Canadian players in that category (my opinion) include Bob Zuk - unbelievable insight, he could truly beat anyone, yet he was most interested in chess, not the result. Kevin Gentes - what a talent! Yet, he got so wrapped up in the beauty he could only see, he would make time trouble oversights...and so many more examples.
Chess is very different now, it has been since the 1990s, with the advent of computers...yet the beauty remains. Notwithstanding this, yes, what talent there was and is!
Good luck to all regardless of your chess ambition.
Lists always remind me of Letterman's Top 10 List...amusing, but with unclear value beyond that. In the individuals indicated, one has to consider the relative time they played to make any attempt at comparison or consideration.
For example, who since has come anywhere close to Capablanca's feat of defeating all the other participants at the 1914 St. Petersburg Event at 5-1 odds in speed chess? Who since has beaten the best with a 4.5 point margin in blitz as Fischer did in 1970? Many indicate the true indicator of the best players is whether they dominated the other top players of their time.
One must also keep in mind that for some of the players cited who were most active in the 1970s or 1980s, most events were not FIDE rated. Thus comparing Day, for instance, to any current IM relative to when he was dominate (1969-1981) is unfair to the other players...Day was clearly a GM. Several noteworthy GM's at the time were astounded when GM Spraggett broke onto the scene winning major events and ultimately in the Candidates, as he was a complete unknown beforehand, playing in mostly non-FIDE rated Canadian events. That feat may never be duplicated.
I had the great fortune to play many of the strongest players (Canadian, but also some US and European), particularly when I was most active (1984-1987), and notwithstanding any list, I have my own perspective of relative strengths. One player unmentioned, whom I had the great pleasure of playing as I represented the HCCC to a second Ontario team championship, was IM Bruce Amos - again, an extraordinary talent (and wonderful person), and again, many events he played in were not FIDE rated.
I must also mention my great mentor, IM Paul Vaitonis, 3 time Lithuanian Champion, twice Canadian Champion, and a very successful financial career and wonderful family. Of course, if not for his better judgement to find his career in finance, he most certainly would have been a GM, among others I could cite, some of whom are absent from any list.
Some players aren't playing for titles or records, they simply love chess...some of the great Canadian players in that category (my opinion) include Bob Zuk - unbelievable insight, he could truly beat anyone, yet he was most interested in chess, not the result. Kevin Gentes - what a talent! Yet, he got so wrapped up in the beauty he could only see, he would make time trouble oversights...and so many more examples.
Chess is very different now, it has been since the 1990s, with the advent of computers...yet the beauty remains. Notwithstanding this, yes, what talent there was and is!
Good luck to all regardless of your chess ambition.
Brian
Very much on point Brian. Your mention of Bruce Amos made me recall how much I admired him in the late 60's and 70's. I remember listening to him analyzing some positions (perhaps with Denis Allan - another very talented player) and just marvelling at how much Bruce could see at a glance - he seemingly could understand a position very quickly and thereby come up with a
very natural plan to proceed in short order. Not to mention his prowess in a subject I was working hard at (Math) and his expertise in Go. There were a number of players in the 60,70,80's who
were extremely dangerous in the right sort of position and even in the wrong position!
Lifting up the old thread but maybe some "official" information will be useful
FIDE started all kind of their database improvements, and one of them is to show who / what / where kind of norms achieved. Still feels not a final but a great resource to look at
Lifting up the old thread but maybe some "official" information will be useful
FIDE started all kind of their database improvements, and one of them is to show who / what / where kind of norms achieved. Still feels not a final but a great resource to look at
This is the FIDE list. Do you think there are still active norms that are not on this list? Would be nice to have a norm round-robin with 9 from these lists versus 9 foreign players.
GM Norm
Cummings, David H. CAN 2380
Gerzhoy, Leonid CAN 0
Porper, Eduard CAN 2455
IM Norm
Cao, Jason CAN 2368
Doknjas, Joshua CAN 2305
Hua, Lefong CAN 2333
Jiang, Louie CAN 2302
Kaminski, Victor CAN 0
Peredun, Andrew CAN 2344
Plotkin, Victor CAN 2310
Song, Guannan Terry CAN 2166
Song, Michael CAN 2388
Talukdar, Rohan CAN 2418
Yu, Zong Yang CAN 2393
Zhang, Yuanchen CAN 2314
Zhao, Ian CAN 2380
Zhou, Qiyu CAN 2328
Any tournaments with potential IM norms should also invite active FMs. We only have a few. What can the CFC do to give them chances for an IM Norm?
Highest rated active FMs
Yu, Zong Yang 2387
Plotkin, Victor 2367
Zhao, Ian 2347
Talukdar, Rohan 2341
Hua, Eugene 2336
Zhang, Yuanchen 2330
Cao, Jason 2306
Doknjas, Joshua 2305
Hua, Lefong 2305
Rodrigue-Lemieux, Shawn 2276
Chen, Richard 2276
Gedajlovic, Max 2270
Laceste, Loren Brigham 2267
Inactive FMs. Many from when the main way to get IM Title was wining the Canadian Closed.
Linskiy, Oleg M. 2424
Marantz, Michael 2420
Pelts, Roman 2417
Alipayo, Rodulfo 2380
Teodoro, Eduardo 2355
Jardines Rabilero, Alejandro 2343
Koliada, Timour 2340
Spraggett, Grant 2335
Doroshenko, Maxim 2331
Harper, Bruce 2330
Jiang, Louie 2326
Basanta, Gary 2324
Levtchouk, George 2323
Stone, Raymond 2321
Goldenberg, Danny 2318
Buchholz, Martin 2315
Kuznecov, Alex 2310
Littke, Adam 2310
Barbeau, Sylvain 2310
Taylor, Gordon 2309
Ho, Andrew 2305
Yoos, John C.2304
Hawkes, Rob 2300
MacPhail, John 2299
Peredun, Andrew 2296
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