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I don't get it but it is providing some Canadian chessplayers with some real money. You can follow players and you pay money for the fun of doing so :)...at least that is how I understand it...and feel free to correct me.
Okay so from what I have read, Nakamura is the star of Twitch in the chess world with 1.4 million followers...ahh but if that impresses you...take a look at the Botez sisters from B.C. with 1.1 million followers!
Then there is one of the first in this category...Chessbrah (Eric Hansen and Aman Hambleton) with 276,000 followers.
A relative newbie to the crowd is Montrealer Lefong Hua who weighs in with over 18,000 followers.
As I said at the start, I don't get it...so any info you can provide would be great. Also...are there other Canadians making a reasonable living from this form of entertainment?
Larry
Last edited by Larry Bevand; Monday, 4th July, 2022, 06:08 PM.
A "reasonable living" greatly understates the twitch earnings from both Botez and Brahs. Twitch pays a minimum 50% of the subscription fees ($5US/month) to their streamers, and more if those streamers are considered "good for the brand". You can estimate their monthly Twitch revenues from their total number of subs, but not followers: followers can watch for free, but have to sit through ads, and the streamers get a fee for the ad time. Some of them also get paid from e-Teams/orgs to push their products. This support can be sufficient on its own to cover a house in L.A.
Qiyu Zhou is the third most popular Canadian chess streamer -- currently with over 1200 subs -- and you can follow her on: https://www.twitch.tv/akanemsko
A "reasonable living" greatly understates the twitch earnings from both Botez and Brahs. Twitch pays a minimum 50% of the subscription fees ($5US/month) to their streamers, and more if those streamers are considered "good for the brand". You can estimate their monthly Twitch revenues from their total number of subs, but not followers: followers can watch for free, but have to sit through ads, and the streamers get a fee for the ad time. Some of them also get paid from e-Teams/orgs to push their products. This support can be sufficient on its own to cover a house in L.A.
Qiyu Zhou is the third most popular Canadian chess streamer -- currently with over 1200 subs -- and you can follow her on: https://www.twitch.tv/akanemsko
THANKS John,
That is the kind of info I was looking for!
Qiyu has 292,1 k followers!...where do you find the subscriber numbers?
A "reasonable living" greatly understates the twitch earnings from both Botez and Brahs. Twitch pays a minimum 50% of the subscription fees ($5US/month) to their streamers, and more if those streamers are considered "good for the brand". You can estimate their monthly Twitch revenues from their total number of subs, but not followers: followers can watch for free, but have to sit through ads, and the streamers get a fee for the ad time. Some of them also get paid from e-Teams/orgs to push their products. This support can be sufficient on its own to cover a house in L.A.
Qiyu Zhou is the third most popular Canadian chess streamer -- currently with over 1200 subs -- and you can follow her on: https://www.twitch.tv/akanemsko
As of Jan. 2022 ...
chessbrah: $767,384.56
BotezLive: $416,813.43
Qiyu Zhou: $91,352.63
Lefong Hua: $33,834.82
... annually, ha!
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Last edited by Neil Frarey; Monday, 4th July, 2022, 09:00 PM.
[QUOTE=Larry Bevand;n220325]I don't get it /QUOTE]
What don't you get? It's fun to watch strong players play speed chess or bullet chess, and more if they are entertaining while doing it. The cost of subscribing is very small (usually around $5 per month) and most subscriptions are more about generally showing support for the streamer than feeling like you're paying for a service. Personally, if I spend a few hours a month watching a streamer, that's easily worth $5 in value to me. It's a medium that young people are familiar with and like, and speaking from the online gaming world, signing a high volume streamer has way more impact than signing a sports celeb to put on your commercials. The streams are real time and authentic, and when they endorse something you usually can believe they actually endorse it, and it's not just some marketing campaign dreamed up by an agency.
It's worth restating what I said in that thread: "Building a streaming community is a brutally hard grind and puts immense pressure on the streamer to put out content every day; to be live for hours a day, while online trolls insult your play, your looks, whatever you're doing. Some people love it, but it's a very hard thing to do, and an even harder thing to be good at. It's very possible that this "nice way to make a living" ends up making you hate what was once a beloved hobby - instead of being something you can do for fun, it becomes something you're chained to your computer to do for hours a day with thousands of strangers watching and criticizing. "
What don't you get? It's fun to watch strong players play speed chess or bullet chess, and more if they are entertaining while doing it. The cost of subscribing is very small (usually around $5 per month) and most subscriptions are more about generally showing support for the streamer than feeling like you're paying for a service. Personally, if I spend a few hours a month watching a streamer, that's easily worth $5 in value to me. It's a medium that young people are familiar with and like, and speaking from the online gaming world, signing a high volume streamer has way more impact than signing a sports celeb to put on your commercials. The streams are real time and authentic, and when they endorse something you usually can believe they actually endorse it, and it's not just some marketing campaign dreamed up by an agency.
It's worth restating what I said in that thread: "Building a streaming community is a brutally hard grind and puts immense pressure on the streamer to put out content every day; to be live for hours a day, while online trolls insult your play, your looks, whatever you're doing. Some people love it, but it's a very hard thing to do, and an even harder thing to be good at. It's very possible that this "nice way to make a living" ends up making you hate what was once a beloved hobby - instead of being something you can do for fun, it becomes something you're chained to your computer to do for hours a day with thousands of strangers watching and criticizing. "
thanks for an insightful post ... especially: "ends up making you hate what was once a beloved hobby"
often people who are great at something (many things) make it look ridiculously "easy" to onlookers
open their twitch stream when it's live, and type !sub into chat.
BTW: in addition to not sitting through ads, another benefit of being a subscriber is playing one-on-one vs the streamer. Most of them have a day -- typically "Sub Sunday"-- where they accept challenges from their subscribers on chess.com, and comment on the games while playing.
It's fun to watch strong players play speed chess or bullet chess, and more if they are entertaining while doing it.
I rarely watch twitch. Though browsing through many of chess streamers, Maurice Ashley is on the top of my list - pleasant and exciting voice and no annoying music :)
Larry, while you're at it, why don't you and Neil F. post your earnings for the past few years?
Not sure why this jab... it seems the Twitch revenues are public info so I don't think the streamers would have an expectation of privacy about those numbers?
Larry, while you're at it, why don't you and Neil F. post your earnings for the past few years?
I rhink the question for Larry would it make sense for cma to have a twitch channel: they have many teachers to give lessons and challenge subscribers, live coverage of cma tournaments, and much promotion of cma products including swag like a cma drinking cup, shirt, sweater, baseball cap, and pens.
But it requires full-time paid staff and i think their audience is limited to Canada so they wont get the 100,000 subscribers to make it profitable.
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