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ClimateGate - A Question for Ed Seedhouse and Paul Beckwith
Actually, Nazism is historically considered as a right-wing movement.....................
No need to comment the rest.
Is this a joke or what? Is this what our teenagers learn in class?
NAZI means "National Socialism" and was a left-wing movement. If you want to read about it you will find thousands of book and articles on it. When people let a government become too big and take all their responsabilities from them, this is where it can go.
NAZI and Communism are both left-wing movement. Extremist Right-wing movements after the war took back some of NAZI ideas but never got more than 15% votes in Europe.
Carl
Last edited by Carl Bilodeau; Friday, 18th December, 2009, 12:51 AM.
Suffered? Our last three Canadian government have been minority elected. Bush had a majority twice. Can we say USA suffered during the first mandate if they elected him a second time? Be serious.
Bush received the most votes for the electoral college in 2000. Gore received the higher number of individual votes. The Americans don't elect a President directly. They vote for electors to the Electoral college. It's possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and lose the election. The system is different from the Canadian system so it's not possible to compare.
Here is a breakdown of the votes won by the candidates in the 2000 U.S. election.
Is this a joke or what? Is this what our teenagers learn in class?
NAZI means "National Socialism" and was a left-wing movement. If you want to read about it you will find thousands of book and articles on it. When people let a government become too big and take all their responsabilities from them, this is where it can go.
NAZI and Communism are both left-wing movement. Extremist Right-wing movements after the war took back some of NAZI ideas but never got more than 15% votes in Europe.
Carl
Carl, YOU are the joke!
From Wikipedia:
"Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right."
"Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism."
Go back to school, Carl! Start with kindergarden!
But please, keep entertaining us! You are truly a hoot!
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
Re: ClimateGate - A Question for Ed Seedhouse and Paul Beckwith
[QUOTE=Tom O'Donnell;17621]Why would you think that? People smoke tobacco knowing that there is a decent chance it will kill them. They eat too much and don't exercise enough knowing that they are shortening their lifespan on average. People drive polluting cars and populate the world with too many progeny which only exacerbates the problems for everyone.
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QUOTE]
Problems? What problems are you talking about? If you talk of bilions of death I think you should at least show us the first million death if you want me to beleive it.
We live longer. Our kids no more die on their first year.
Our cars are safers, cleaners and have no impact on climate. CO2 is not a pollution.
Everyday we create new technology.
No problem at all, I can not see billions of deaths in the future.
Carl
Last edited by Carl Bilodeau; Friday, 18th December, 2009, 01:22 AM.
Why would you think that? People smoke tobacco knowing that there is a decent chance it will kill them. They eat too much and don't exercise enough knowing that they are shortening their lifespan on average. People drive polluting cars and populate the world with too many progeny which only exacerbates the problems for everyone.
An engineer at an auto manufacturer once told me that if you count everything which goes into a car, right down to the last little screw, there is more energy which goes into making an auto than the average person will put in the gas tank. Even baking the paint onto the vehicle takes a lot of energy.
It's been a number of years since he told me that but I would assume it's probably still the same or pretty close.
Driving a car more years helps to solve the problem, I would think.
"Nazism is often considered by scholars to be a form of fascism. While it incorporated elements from both left and right-wing politics, the Nazis formed most of their alliances on the right."
"Among the key elements of Nazism were anti-parliamentarism, Pan-Germanism, racism, collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, anti-communism, totalitarianism and opposition to economic liberalism and political liberalism."
Go back to school, Carl! Start with kindergarden!
But please, keep entertaining us! You are truly a hoot!
LOL. This author says that it incroporated elements form both left and right-wing so that he doesn't have to write that is was "National Socialism". Read more Paul, continue to search.
Socialism = left wing. Hitler was democratically elected and had a hard time to seduced the army which was on the right.
P.S.: You use the word "us" in your last messages when you insult me. What does this "us" mean? Are you many people in your house in front of the computer or have you been democratically elected by some organisation?
An engineer at an auto manufacturer once told me that if you count everything which goes into a car, right down to the last little screw, there is more energy which goes into making an auto than the average person will put in the gas tank. Even baking the paint onto the vehicle takes a lot of energy.
It's been a number of years since he told me that but I would assume it's probably still the same or pretty close.
Driving a car more years helps to solve the problem, I would think.
Or simply vote a law to have the car be made from 100% recycling products and be recycle by the builder at the end of its life cycle. If the builder has to recycle it, he will take the right decisions during the design process. This is simple capitalism and would require minimum government involvement and no new taxes.
A car to be at the same price would be smaller and simpler.
Suffered? Our last three Canadian government have been minority elected. Bush had a majority twice. Can we say USA suffered during the first mandate if they elected him a second time? Be serious.
I actually believe minority governments can be a very healthy thing for democracy. They require parties to work together, compromise, and seek solutions acceptable to all. Unfortunately, our politicians are too accustomed to majority governments. But it looks like we will be electing minority governments for a long time to come, so I guess according to your logic, we aren't suffering.
In the USA, every government is a majority! You only have 2 parties with any chance of winning seats. During Bush's first term, 9/11 attack, second term, financial meltdown! Yes, seriously, I would say Americans are suffering, and they are really gonna be pissed when they realize their empire is dead! :D
Bush received the most votes for the electoral college in 2000. Gore received the higher number of individual votes. The Americans don't elect a President directly. They vote for electors to the Electoral college. It's possible for a candidate to win the popular vote and lose the election. The system is different from the Canadian system so it's not possible to compare.
Here is a breakdown of the votes won by the candidates in the 2000 U.S. election.
If the voting people did not know how their electoral system worked then you would be right.
But they are in the same situation as we are. If we Canadians don't want Liberal to take power at all and are ready to have the conservative then they vote so that this one will me a minority government. People vote base on the polls so that the elected government will do what they want. Bush was elected on a majority from the USA system and each party put the money and work and work where they could influence americans. It is fair for me.
Or simply vote a law to have the car be made from 100% recycling products and be recycle by the builder at the end of its life cycle. If the builder has to recycle it, he will take the right decisions during the design process. This is simple capitalism and would require minimum government involvement and no new taxes.
A car to be at the same price would be smaller and simpler.
Carl
Carl, you are contradicting yourself. You call for a law requiring the auto maker to use 100% recycled products, then in the next sentence you want minimum goverment involvement and simple capitalism. Enforcing such a law would require massive government involvement.
However, simple capitalism would mean that all the auto makers would simply leave the country and build their cars elsewhere!
I actually believe minority governments can be a very healthy thing for democracy. They require parties to work together, compromise, and seek solutions acceptable to all. Unfortunately, our politicians are too accustomed to majority governments. But it looks like we will be electing minority governments for a long time to come, so I guess according to your logic, we aren't suffering.
In the USA, every government is a majority! You only have 2 parties with any chance of winning seats. During Bush's first term, 9/11 attack, second term, financial meltdown! Yes, seriously, I would say Americans are suffering, and they are really gonna be pissed when they realize their empire is dead! :D
The american system is a majority but at the end the result is the same. Look Obama, he has a majority in the Chambers and he has difficulty to have Democrat to vote for his projects. The reason: the people decide in democracy no matter what. The democrat governor in a right-wing state will vote to be reelected and it is not Obama that will elect him, but the people.
Their empire is not dead at all. They are productive, rich, they make a lot of babies, I don't see any problem there. They have a recession, so what, they will learn from it and become stronger. I think you watch too much Canadian TV deformation. On a millitary point of view they are so powerful I can not imagine saying this empire is dead. 12 aircrafts carriers systems!!! Name another country who has more than one operationnal in the world? Come on Bob. Each of these Aircraft Carriers represent the equilavent of a whole Canadian Army in money. France has only one which is half the size. England has none (only a platform for Vertical Takeoff planes). The American Aircraft by the way have about 12 to 30 other vessels around them at all time. And I don't talk about submarines, satellites, rockets, nuclear arms, bases, etc.
But if what you are saying is "I wish they could go down." then this is your opinion. If you feel Canada would be more secure without USA, I can't share this opinion base on the last world wars.
Carl
Last edited by Carl Bilodeau; Friday, 18th December, 2009, 02:14 AM.
Carl, you are contradicting yourself. You call for a law requiring the auto maker to use 100% recycled products, then in the next sentence you want minimum goverment involvement and simple capitalism. Enforcing such a law would require massive government involvement.
However, simple capitalism would mean that all the auto makers would simply leave the country and build their cars elsewhere!
For a government to make rule and laws is normal. If you take a carbon tax and then send a check to Canadians every year or give a fiscal credit like Stephane Dion wanted to do, then the government has many actions to do and even Dion estimated that to collect 1 millions in carbon taxes would require 2 millions spending in government actions. So each 3 millions collected would bring 1 million only at the end.
By forcing the recycling by automakers, it would mean that each of them would pay you 1000$ when you would bring a car at the end of its life. That is it. We do it for cans of pepsi in Quebec (10 cents for the small ones and the government has nothing to do in the whole process), we can do it for cars. If they don't take the cars back, then they can not get a sale permit next year. The customers is the one that pays anyway in the process.
Why would you think that? People smoke tobacco knowing that there is a decent chance it will kill them. They eat too much and don't exercise enough knowing that they are shortening their lifespan on average. People drive polluting cars and populate the world with too many progeny which only exacerbates the problems for everyone.
Each action above can be easily explained, imo. People will almost certainly choose whatever feels good in the now (eat too much, abuse their bodies, go a "Tiger", pollute the planet) even if in the longrun it is detrimental. Especially if, as in the case of pollution, it really doesn't matter what one person or even one country does.
If Canada chose tomorrow to go back to some sort of agrarian society and elimate all "non-natural" CO2 production, it wouldn't change anything world-wide, only slightly slow it down. You think that people are going to give up their big cars, bigger houses and way of life for that? You must be nuts. ;-)
Call me crazy then! :D
Yes, we all do stuff that isn't healthy or smart just cause it feels good. And yes again, if only 1 person or 1 country took up the battle against pollution, it would be a hopeless battle.:(
But people do exercise, diet, volunteer, donate, recycle, and generally give a damn about the world. So cheer up and take some advise from Monty Python and "look on the bright side of life". :)
Now go out and buy that hybrid car. Hell, after we solved the CFC financial crisis, saving the planet should be easy!:D
An engineer at an auto manufacturer once told me that if you count everything which goes into a car, right down to the last little screw, there is more energy which goes into making an auto than the average person will put in the gas tank. Even baking the paint onto the vehicle takes a lot of energy.
It's been a number of years since he told me that but I would assume it's probably still the same or pretty close.
Driving a car more years helps to solve the problem, I would think.
Taking a lot of energy is not a problem. The less energy you spend the cheaper the car will be and the more profit the automaker will make.... and more cars and bigger we will buy with our money. But it is not a problem at all. It is only a matter of price. When there will be no more petrol, we will use coal for the next 500 years and there is plenty of it.
My cat takes a lot of food and this is not a problem as long as I can pay it.
Carl
Last edited by Carl Bilodeau; Friday, 18th December, 2009, 01:33 PM.
But if what you are saying is "I wish they could go down." then this is your opinion. If you feel Canada would be more secure without USA, I can't share this opinion base on the last world wars.
Carl
I'm not worried about the US attacking Canada, last time they tried it, we kicked their butts!:D
Of course their military was a lot smaller back in 1812, not so many aircraft carriers!
Now Carl, you do realize the US is the only country that has attempted to invade Canada. But yes, I am sure they would help with our defense if necessary. Well, at least the tar sands.
Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Friday, 18th December, 2009, 02:39 AM.
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