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    Wind output from Ontario's commercial wind farms was 2.3 TWh in 2009, enough to power the City of Oshawa for two full years. Output from Ontario coal fired plants dropped to 9.8 TWh, down from 23.2 TWh in 2008, and the lowest coal plant output in 45 years.

    Ontario electrical power mix:

    Nuclear 55.2%
    Hydro 25.5%
    Gas 10.3%
    Coal 6.6%
    Wind 1.6%
    Other (biomass, solar, etc.) 0.8%

    Renewables are heading in the right direction...

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      Want some good science real-time on climate change.

      Go on twitter and look at #agu10
      American Geophysical Union meeting going on this week in San Francisco...

      (if you are tired of Rubenator and Darth Vlad for your information)...

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        Originally posted by Adam Cormier View Post
        I prefer the Baneling song or that weird one in a different language.
        you also think muse is the greatest band ever so you're kinda a dumbass but yeah \:

        ):
        everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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          Originally posted by ben daswani View Post
          you also think muse is the greatest band ever so you're kinda a dumbass but yeah \:

          ):
          Muse is the greatest band ever, in my opinion. There songs are amazing, their latest album is a bit lackluster but their older work is still fantastic. There songs have very deep meanings and they actually reflect on important issues in society. I like songs that sound good and actually have meaning or a message, unlike some of the popular music today.
          University and Chess, a difficult mix.

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          • The darn snow...

            I don't know about this warming stuff. There's snow in Britain and it's an inconvenience for me. The planes can't get out because of the snow and they don't have enough snow ploughs to clear the runways.

            You see, when everyone thought our airline company was going to go under, I bought shares at close to the low. I never get the bottom. Now air traffic has picked up and the Brits can't clear their runways. If it's not one thing it's another.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
              I don't know about this warming stuff. There's snow in Britain and it's an inconvenience for me. The planes can't get out because of the snow and they don't have enough snow ploughs to clear the runways.

              You see, when everyone thought our airline company was going to go under, I bought shares at close to the low. I never get the bottom. Now air traffic has picked up and the Brits can't clear their runways. If it's not one thing it's another.
              Wow that reminds me of a Fox News segment I saw, that said Climate Change(they said Global Warming) couldn't possibly be true because there was a snowstorm in Washington. Many people use the word Global Warming(I have used it as well) but the correct term is climate change because although the average temperature of Earth is increasing, the temperature in the winter will get colder as the summers get hotter and the climate zones of the world gets more and more bizarre.
              University and Chess, a difficult mix.

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                Originally posted by Adam Cormier View Post
                Wow that reminds me of a Fox News segment I saw, that said Climate Change(they said Global Warming) couldn't possibly be true because there was a snowstorm in Washington. Many people use the word Global Warming(I have used it as well) but the correct term is climate change because although the average temperature of Earth is increasing, the temperature in the winter will get colder as the summers get hotter and the climate zones of the world gets more and more bizarre.
                Now it's climate change. Those folks are trying to cover all the bases.

                I thought the glaciers were supposed to melt and not freeze more.

                I think the kind of swings you are talking about is weather and not climate.

                This year is a la nina ocean current. This indicated the kind of weather we are seeing.
                Gary Ruben
                CC - IA and SIM

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                  Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                  I think the kind of swings you are talking about is weather and not climate.
                  Climate drives weather. As general warming proceeds weather extremes become greater on both ends of the cycle.

                  This year is a la nina ocean current. This indicated the kind of weather we are seeing.
                  Climage warming predicts stronger La Ninas and stronger El Ninos. Neither happen by magic but have underlying causes.

                  Weather is an oscillating cycle, like a pendulum. If you give a pendulum a stronger push to the left it swings back further to the right, as well. And that's what we see actually happening so far as weather extremes go. Greater swings at both the cold and hot ends, as we have been observing for the last few years.

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                    Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
                    Climage warming predicts stronger La Ninas and stronger El Ninos. Neither happen by magic but have underlying causes.

                    Weather is an oscillating cycle, like a pendulum. If you give a pendulum a stronger push to the left it swings back further to the right, as well. And that's what we see actually happening so far as weather extremes go. Greater swings at both the cold and hot ends, as we have been observing for the last few years.
                    I guess they do predict stonger La Ninas and stronger El Ninos. It's called covering all the bases.

                    That pendulum swing is something we have been seeing through the decades and centuries. Ice ages cometh and ice ages goeth. At that end of the day all we have is that Johnny Cash song with the chorus that goes, That lucky old sun keeps rolling round heaven all day. Or something close to that.

                    Some of those counties will have to buy more snow ploughs for their runways. I don't like to see my planes sitting idle. I have shares in a couple of airline companies. Canadian, of course.
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
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                      That pendulum swing is something we have been seeing through the decades and centuries. Ice ages cometh and ice ages goeth.
                      But never until now have we seen most of the stored carbon burned and placed into the atmosphere.

                      Before we came along, all the forest fires were almost all caused by naturally lightning. But now that we are here most of them are caused by people lighting fires in the woods. This is an ovservable fact.

                      And before we came along climate changes were caused naturally by various cycles. But now we ourselves are busy filling the atmosphere with carbon, and the result is an easily measured climate change that is dwarfing all the previous ones, and this too is just an ovservable fact.

                      Gary seems to be willing to rely on science to believe in all those previous natural climate changes, but now he ignores it when the very same science informs him that what is happening now is caused by people burning fossil fuels.

                      It's not the science that is suffering from the delusion here...

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                        Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
                        Before we came along, all the forest fires were almost all caused by naturally lightning. But now that we are here most of them are caused by people lighting fires in the woods. This is an ovservable fact.

                        It's not the science that is suffering from the delusion here...
                        Yes. A problem in B.C. if you say. Must be the liberal delusion of kindness and rehabilitation for the perps.

                        Regarding delusion, I prefer to refer to your positions as entertainment. Possibly it's my kind nature.

                        A lot of what you write on climate change sounds like dogma. Never really anything original. Just some added insults to those who dare to not agree. Text book tactics.
                        Gary Ruben
                        CC - IA and SIM

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                        • Re: The darn snow...

                          2010 is the year that the earth fought back:

                          http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1843950/

                          More people killed worldwide in natural disasters than in terrorism attacks in the last 40 years combined...

                          Classic sign of man-made climate change that climate scientists have long warned about...details in link...

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                            Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                            2010 is the year that the earth fought back:

                            More people killed worldwide in natural disasters than in terrorism attacks in the last 40 years combined...

                            Classic sign of man-made climate change that climate scientists have long warned about...details in link...
                            In big letters, it says "in a generation" which means it has and will likely continue to be variable. Like an outlier.

                            Also, while much is presented, there appears to be a dose of opinion in what I consider questionable opinion. Earthquakes in populated areas would be expected to be more deadly than in unpopulated areas.

                            Active volcanoes are, well, active. They erupt from time to time. You should know that.

                            Earthquakes are a result of the earths tectonic plates moving.

                            Hurricane Igor was something of a cottage industry. I have a book and CD of pictures sitting on my desk titled Hurricane Igor. In the eye of the storm. From when it hit Newfoundland. It's a gift and I'll be watching the disk in a couple of days. Nice pictures in the book.

                            The asphalt was peeling back like tin foil, I've been told.
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                              We have failed to act and now face consequences...

                              http://350orbust.wordpress.com/2010/...e-in-december/

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                                The Arctic oven...

                                http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...te-change.html

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