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Re: Would you change the CFC Ordinary Members' fee?
As stated in my post the CFC fees should decrease. Without a magazine with a membership what's the point?. Please correct me if I'm wrong but did the CFC remove the $10 single tournament fee. This would force every member if playing in 1 tournament a year to buy a years membership? Northern Ontario has rated our own tournaments for the last 2 years due to the deficit and hundreds of dollars lost for rating fees from the CFC. Northern Ontario a whole will reconsider supporting the CFC if the organization come up with something for the membership fees as well as rating the tournaments which are payed for by the TD.
Re: Would you change the CFC Ordinary Members' fee?
The CFC provides no value whatsoever for the $42 dollars annual fee. If you didn't need membership in the CFC to play in rated chess tournaments, you can be 100% sure that membership numbers would drop to zero. This large membership fee (with tournament entry fees on top) is a barrier to participation in chess events for new players.
i think it should be no yearly membership fee and just a pay per use considering there is no magazine...up the tournament fee to $5 or $10 or whatever. if the only service we are paying for is ratings, a pay per use is reasonable.
Pay per use implies that the fees are related to the costs of providing the service. Currently at $3 per person, per tournament, these fees are lucrative for the CFC and don't require any increase. Raise participation and the volume of fees will go up. It seems to me that this is already happening.
If we could just raise Canadian participation to U.S. levels we would not even have a problem.
Lets not build new empires when we were just recently forced to dismantle the old one.
as much as an improvement as the email mag is over the webzine or over having no magazine at all:
- something like 30% of the population does not have internet access. (and yes, there are members of the Victoria Chess Club who do not have internet access)
- last I heard, the CFC was emailing the magazine to something like 900+ people out of a membership of ~1800. Nearly half the membership is not getting it.
- the current membership structure offers no good options for people who play intermittently (either by inclination or because of no local cfc tournaments) and /or who do not value the magazine.
Hi Roger
-I'd heard the population had over 90% internet access, but I'll take your word for it. I know a couple of players here who use library computers for access, so I wonder if that kind of non-home computer access, including workplace access possibly, is being taken into account.
-As time goes by, more and more CFC members should get access/(the CFC newsletter). There may be a little short term injustice, if nearly half still don't get the newsletter.
-As I've stated in other threads, the CFC ought to strive to provide more services to the average Joe. If they play intermittently or they don't value the newsletter, they might not be so numerous (why should they join?). However if such already do have memberships, a CFC chess server, or a CFC deal with an established server like ICC, may be possible, which would cater to those denied good options as you claim they are.
Gary, I don't look at the assets in the Foundation as the "CFC's money". I consider it to be the members' money, contributed over many years by ordinary members. I think I can speak for them when I say that they made those contributions for the very long term benefit of chess in Canada, not to be depleted because the CFC cannot balance it's books.
Having said that, the Foundation came to the rescue of the CFC last year with a very large emergency loan, now repaid in full. Was it not fortuitous that there was a Foundation to provide a lifeline when needed?
As long as the Foundation has a hammer lock on the money, it's the foundations money.
As I recall, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, the CFC has donated money from suplus years to the foundation.
We are only a few months from the Olympics. How are the players being prepared? With a list of players on the CFC forum. There has been no statement a national team, much less a ladies team, will even be sent.
Players have to prepare themselves for such a challenging event. They have to prepare a repetoire, prepare themselves mentally and reach competition level by getting in some training.
So what have we got. We don't know who will be on the teams. We don't know if there will be a teams. We don't know the level of support. How in the world do you expect our finest players to perform under such circumstances?
Chess in Canada simply sucks!
It never entered my mind in the 70's the money would end up in the foundation and the CFC and players would end up in such a situation. It's well past time for a reality check.
i think it should be no yearly membership fee and just a pay per use considering there is no magazine...up the tournament fee to $5 or $10 or whatever. if the only service we are paying for is ratings, a pay per use is reasonable.
Re: Would you change the CFC Ordinary Members' fee?
i think it should be no yearly membership fee and just a pay per use considering there is no magazine...up the tournament fee to $5 or $10 or whatever. if the only service we are paying for is ratings, a pay per use is reasonable.
I'm a Life Member. I think more people should support their national sporting Federation in this manner.
Ken, I'm trying for last two month to became Life Member and every time I click "add to cart" I receive response: "Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80004005'
[Microsoft][ODBC Microsoft Access Driver] Cannot update. Database or object is read-only.
Re: Would you change the CFC Ordinary Members' fee?
as much as an improvement as the email mag is over the webzine or over having no magazine at all:
- something like 30% of the population does not have internet access. (and yes, there are members of the Victoria Chess Club who do not have internet access)
- last I heard, the CFC was emailing the magazine to something like 900+ people out of a membership of ~1800. Nearly half the membership is not getting it.
- the current membership structure offers no good options for people who play intermittently (either by inclination or because of no local cfc tournaments) and /or who do not value the magazine.
Re: Would you change the CFC Ordinary Members' fee?
As I wrote in a much older thread, my view is that the Chess Foundation was a noble, but extravagant, idea. If funds donated or contributed to it to it had been donated or contributed to the CFC directly, there would have been no cash flow crisis, at least not for many more years. That cash flow crisis at least in part cost the CFC it's print magazine, and business office (& equipment business), which had to be sold in exchange for badly needed funds.
Re: Would you change the CFC Ordinary Members' fee?
Gary, I don't look at the assets in the Foundation as the "CFC's money". I consider it to be the members' money, contributed over many years by ordinary members. I think I can speak for them when I say that they made those contributions for the very long term benefit of chess in Canada, not to be depleted because the CFC cannot balance it's books.
Having said that, the Foundation came to the rescue of the CFC last year with a very large emergency loan, now repaid in full. Was it not fortuitous that there was a Foundation to provide a lifeline when needed?
If you mean by discontinued the magazine service in the new millenium (as opposed to the discontinuing of the thinking that the publication of magazine justified a fee increase, back in the 70s), then I would argue that at that time members were not getting anything near value for their membership, and many did quit around that time.
The webzine was an earlier attempt at 'reinstating' the magazine, but it was a failure in terms of both content and delivery.
The monthly newsletter is a much better reinstatement of magazine service, and it is monthly, not bi-monthly.
Kevin,
I don't think the reinstatement of a newsletter warrants an increase in membership fees. Normally raising fees would be to help cover costs and make the organization break even. However, this organizations appears to be "comfortable". The last update I saw on the CFC forum has the investments at $240,000.00. Frankly, it boggles my mind that an organization with a foundation that large has to beg the members for money to send an Olympic team. The money should be used to the benefit of the players and not saved for some future generations.
Chess in Canada sucks.
I hope nobody donates to the Olympic fund so the CFC has to decide if they will send at team or sit on their money. We have to know the priorities.
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