Olympiad Selection Process

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  • #16
    Re: Olympiad Selection Process

    Originally posted by Ron Livshits View Post
    Yes I have met Eduard. I stand by my choice of Nikolay.
    No problems from me then - just wasn't sure if you had. I do, I guess, share some concerns over the idea that one person's opinion of "how people get along" can have that big an influence on things, but you are on the committee so it might as well be you that is that one person.

    As for Jean's comments - I only dislike criticism of organizers if there is no realistic alternate solution being presented. The alternate solution of "use the rating list" seems workable and simple, as opposed to "random weekend organizer should spend at least 100 hours looking for sponsorship for a bunch of IMs.".

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    • #17
      Re: Olympiad Selection Process

      Given the cavalier nature of the selection of the Olympic teams in opposition to the traditional practice of continuing down the list to fill the teams rather than allowing the Selection Committee to shoose replacement players, I shall not be making a financial contribution to Olympiad Teams this year.

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      • #18
        Re: Olympiad Selection Process

        Originally posted by David Ottosen View Post
        As for Jean's comments - I only dislike criticism of organizers if there is no realistic alternate solution being presented. The alternate solution of "use the rating list" seems workable and simple, as opposed to "random weekend organizer should spend at least 100 hours looking for sponsorship for a bunch of IMs.".
        There are always "realistic alternate solutions". And secondly, I thought that your days of "quoting" me wrong were over. Why this need to make up things or grossly exaggerate them ? Don't you have any point that can stand on plain truth ?

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        • #19
          Re: Olympiad Selection Process - The Proper Steps

          Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
          3. The Selection Committee gets to replace the declining wildcard selection, and determines a wildcard replacement - you seem to have Thomas as your second on the wildcard list ( this is my interpretation of how the exisiting Handbook section should be used ).
          According to the 1994 precedent, Bob's reasonable approach is incorrect. Then the selection committee chose Ron Livshits, knowing that he probably couldn't play because of studies. At the same time (which was before the start of the 15th and final round of the Zonal) the Selection Committee chose a second player, who was also doing well in the Canadian Zonal, as the alternate. But after Ron officially declined, the CFC decided that Ron (as Selection Committee first choice) should be replaced by a player from the Rating List, who was Tom O'Donnell, rather than by the Selection Committee second choice. This was a surprise to the Selection Committee and to the spurned player, but no protest was made. The precedent had already been established that rating list declines were replaced by rating; this CFC decision established the precedent that other declines should also be filled by rating.

          If Ilya Bluvshtein was in any doubt about precedence, he could have asked his Selection Committee for advice. Ron was there in 1994 and again in 2010!

          By the way, using the traditional method of precedence, the status of a player such as Kevin Spraggett (or any player whose eligibility is in doubt, for example, because of number of games played) does not matter; if he declines, his place is filled from the rating list. But with the Ilya method, you get different teams depending upon whether he declines or is declared ineligible. I remember that the eligibility of KS (who lives in Portugal) was a hot topic some years ago.

          Aside from going against precedent and the flow of the rules, the Ilya method also brings into play tendentious arguments about the status of players "who you knew weren't going to play anyway". On those counts, it is three steps backwards in the method of CFC team selection. It is a great young team, I just wish it could have been arrived at in a more regular way.

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          • #20
            Re: Olympiad Selection Process - Replacing the Wildcard

            Hi Jonathan:

            Thanks for the historical insight.

            I am not happy with the 1994 precedent. It seems to me that CFC should want to keep open the possibility of taking a promising player from lower down the rating list, when the wildcard Selection Committee choice declines. All other decliners will be from the Ratings Selection List, so it is still valuable for players to get their ratings up there. I see benefit in one of five being a " wildcard ".

            Bob

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            • #21
              Re: Olympiad Selection Process

              Where have the CFC Executive members been during this discussion?

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              • #22
                Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                Hi Ken:

                Apparently, as of my last communication with Stijn de Kerpel, V-P, President Eric Van Dusen is still on Presidential Leave of Absence, to deal with some personal matters. He made Stijn " Acting President " in his absence.

                But as far as I recollect, none of the remaining 5 Executive have posted here or on the two CFC Discussion Boards in the Olympiad Selection debate.

                Bob

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                • #23
                  Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                  Leadership at its finest. At the very least, they should be communicating with Governors on the Governors' Board.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                    (b) National Team
                    (i) The Canadian Champion, as of 180 days before the start of the Olympiad.
                    2009 champ Jean Hebert resigned, 2007 champ Nikolay Noritsyn took his place :D
                    (ii) The three highest rated players on the Selection Rating list.
                    Mark Bluvshtein
                    Leonid Gerzhoy
                    Artiom Samsonkin

                    (iii) One player decided upon by the Selection Committee.
                    Thomas Roussel-Roozmon

                    Try to disprove that the team is not according to the rules :D

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                    • #25
                      Re: Olympiad Selection Process - Replacing the Wildcard

                      Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                      Hi Jonathan:

                      Thanks for the historical insight.

                      I am not happy with the 1994 precedent. It seems to me that CFC should want to keep open the possibility of taking a promising player from lower down the rating list, when the wildcard Selection Committee choice declines. All other decliners will be from the Ratings Selection List, so it is still valuable for players to get their ratings up there. I see benefit in one of five being a " wildcard ".

                      Bob
                      Bob, Is your proposal consistent with human rights laws?

                      What's a "promising player"? Someone who's better liked than the qualified person? Someone who is younger? Someone who's not crippled?
                      Gary Ruben
                      CC - IA and SIM

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                      • #26
                        Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                        Disingenuous much?

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                        • #27
                          Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                          Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
                          There are always "realistic alternate solutions". And secondly, I thought that your days of "quoting" me wrong were over. Why this need to make up things or grossly exaggerate them ? Don't you have any point that can stand on plain truth ?
                          Who said I was quoting you? I might have been quoting my over the top heavily exaggerated impersonation of you!

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                          • #28
                            Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                            Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
                            :D
                            Very diplomatic, Egis! I propose that we make Egis our Ambassador to the Duchy of Courland. and Semigallia.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                              Originally posted by Jonathan Berry View Post
                              Ambassador to the Duchy of Courland. and Semigallia.
                              thnx. Their capital, Kuldiga, had a dedicated chess club house, where I had pleasure to win a junior (u18 or u16?) open Latvian championship :D

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                              • #30
                                Re: Olympiad Selection Process

                                GM Spraggett has written about the situation on his blog.

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