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  • #61
    Re: Welcome To The Depression...

    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    What the parents need is a government which will allow chess to be treated as a sport.

    People should vote for the political party which is in their best interest and not one which is popular or the polls tell them will win the election.
    Chess is NOT on a political agenda. Sports (in this case) got funding for HEALTH reasons, not sport reasons. I don't think chess should qualify here because it doesn't provide the desired health benefits.

    If you want chess funding, you have to fit it under the umbrella of SOMETHING ELSE the public and the governement support, but this tax break is not it.

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    • #62
      Re: Welcome To The Depression...

      Originally posted by Alan Baljeu View Post
      Chess is NOT on a political agenda. Sports (in this case) got funding for HEALTH reasons, not sport reasons. I don't think chess should qualify here because it doesn't provide the desired health benefits.

      If you want chess funding, you have to fit it under the umbrella of SOMETHING ELSE the public and the governement support, but this tax break is not it.
      I don't think you get it. I haven't had young kids for decades.

      The political agenda is ANYTHING a person wants it to be. This umbrella you talk about is arbitrary. If a political party does not wish to support an intellectual activity a person pays for his/her child to participate in, simply vote to change the party in power.

      Voters have to be sophisticated and vote in their own best interests.
      Gary Ruben
      CC - IA and SIM

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      • #63
        Re: Welcome To The Depression...

        Originally posted by Alan Baljeu View Post
        Chess is NOT on a political agenda. Sports (in this case) got funding for HEALTH reasons, not sport reasons. I don't think chess should qualify here because it doesn't provide the desired health benefits.

        If you want chess funding, you have to fit it under the umbrella of SOMETHING ELSE the public and the governement support, but this tax break is not it.
        Or it is necessary present in the right way even for health reasons. There is not only physical health, but mental as well.

        Motto "use it or lose it" provides funding for my family's chess activities :D

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        • #64
          Re: Welcome To The Depression...

          And one more thing about funding:
          To my knowledge (cause, I have no prove at this moment), the Thornhill summer chess camps were a tax deductible.
          http://members4.boardhost.com/chess-...215801121.html

          Maybe instructors could say more.

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          • #65
            Re: Welcome To The Depression...

            Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
            And one more thing about funding:
            To my knowledge (cause, I have no prove at this moment), the Thornhill summer chess camps were a tax deductible.

            Maybe instructors could say more.
            Here's an article from todays Toronto Star which shows Harper and the Arts.

            http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/504811

            You could probably make the same argument for public libraries or many other things if you wanted to cut funding for them.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • #66
              Re: Welcome To The Depression...

              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
              Here's an article from todays Toronto Star which shows Harper and the Arts.

              http://www.thestar.com/FederalElection/article/504811

              You could probably make the same argument for public libraries or many other things if you wanted to cut funding for them.
              What does it do with my writing you quote?

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              • #67
                Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                The issue isn't simply chess. The issue is the fairness of funding what amounts to discretionary, or extra-curricular, activities.

                The Conservatives haven't been good to the Westerners and it's a laugh to watch them line up to vote for Conservative again. The Conservatives decimated the wealth of so many in Alberta and B.C. who beleived their lies regarding the income trusts. These days you can pick them up at so low a price they yield 10 per cent or better. Those companies have so much cash flow and are so low priced as a result of the ill conceived legislation that pension plans and foreigners are picking the entire companies up for a song.
                Wrong. The economy in the West has thrived under Harper.
                everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                • #68
                  Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                  Originally posted by ben daswani View Post
                  Wrong. The economy in the West has thrived under Harper.
                  Harper had nothing to do with that. It was the world price of oil.

                  You might have noticed when Alberta raised the tax on resources, activity dropped off and Harper was Prime Minister then. After they reversed some of the increases activity picked up again.

                  How are the forestry companies doing under Harper? Are they thriving? I know the answer but do you?
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                  • #69
                    Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                    Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
                    What does it do with my writing you quote?
                    You're writing about chess funding and the article deals with the arts in general. One of the arguments with chess has been if it should come under sports or the arts for funding. The article deals with Harpers attitude toward the arts.

                    If chess doesn't fall under sport or the arts then what does it fall under? It's recongnized by the Olympic movement and they allow the use of the "Olympics" designation for both OTB and Correspondence Chess.
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                    • #70
                      Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                      You're writing about chess funding and the article deals with the arts in general. One of the arguments with chess has been if it should come under sports or the arts for funding. The article deals with Harpers attitude toward the arts.

                      If chess doesn't fall under sport or the arts then what does it fall under? It's recongnized by the Olympic movement and they allow the use of the "Olympics" designation for both OTB and Correspondence Chess.
                      Then what do you mean by "you" in this one?
                      "You could probably make the same argument for public libraries or many other things if you wanted to cut funding for them."

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                      • #71
                        Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                        As far as I know, FIDE never uses the word "Olympics" when referring to their international team event held every two years. It's always referred to as the "World Chess Olympiad". (in Olympic terms, "Olympiad" refers to the four-year cycle between Olympic Games, and this word is not trademarked - again AFAIK).

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                        • #72
                          Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                          Originally posted by Hugh Brodie View Post
                          As far as I know, FIDE never uses the word "Olympics" when referring to their international team event held every two years. It's always referred to as the "World Chess Olympiad". (in Olympic terms, "Olympiad" refers to the four-year cycle between Olympic Games, and this word is not trademarked - again AFAIK).
                          Hi Hugh,

                          Chapter 18 of the FIDE handbook dealing with doping refer to an agreement between FIDE and the International Olympic Committee.

                          If you search the FIDE handbook for the word OLYMPIC you will probably find a lot of material.


                          "Chapter 18 - Doping and Drug Use

                          18.1. FIDE, its affiliated member Federations, bodies and players hereby subscribe where appropriate for chess players as agreed between FIDE and the International Olympic Committee, to be bound by the relevant rules and guidelines prescribed by the International Olympic Committee and other relevant agencies or bodies set up for the monitoring of drug use and doping by athletes in all FIDE competitions.

                          18.2. A Medical Commission comprising medical experts and laymen chosen on the basis of their personal merits shall be appointed by the Presidential Board to liase with the relevant organs of the International Olympic Committee and agree from time to time on the list of prohibited substances and methods of doping that are applicable to chess players in FIDE competitions."

                          Also, please see the following.

                          http://www.fide.com/component/conten...oc-recognition
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                          • #73
                            Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                            But it still doesn't give FIDE the right to name their event the "World Chess Olympics". Likewise - if you do a search for "World Bridge Olympics" - you will find lots of hits - but none from the world bridge body (who refers to it as the "Bridge Olympiad").

                            "Olympics" is trademarked and can only be used when referring to the Olympic Games.

                            See the link http://blogfromahermit.com/2008/08/2...d-by-the-usoc/ and see what happens when people mis-use the word when referring to the "Olympic Peninsula" in the state of Washington.

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                            • #74
                              Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                              Originally posted by Hugh Brodie View Post
                              But it still doesn't give FIDE the right to name their event the "World Chess Olympics". Likewise - if you do a search for "World Bridge Olympics" - you will find lots of hits - but none from the world bridge body (who refers to it as the "Bridge Olympiad").

                              "Olympics" is trademarked and can only be used when referring to the Olympic Games.
                              Olympiad is the 4 year period between the Olympic games. A celebration of the Olympic games. That's what my online dictionary tells me. Does one go to an Olympiad to play in the Olympics? I donno. China held the 2008 Olympic Games at the games of the XXIX Olympiad.

                              If I recall the IOC had an extra Olympic or Olympiad because of the year 2000, but I don't recall exactly.

                              Is Bridge affilated with the IOC in the same manner as chess? I have no idea.
                              Gary Ruben
                              CC - IA and SIM

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                              • #75
                                Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                                Chess and bridge are "recognized Olympic sports" - as are billards, bowling, cricket, motorcycle racing(!), polo, tug-of-war, etc. - (and let's not forget bandy, korfball, and wushi) . :):):)

                                http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/rec...d/index_uk.asp

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