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  • #91
    Re: Welcome To The Depression...

    Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
    There's been socialism for the rich in the USA since the 1950's. It's only the common poor folks that socialism is bad for. Socialism, of course, took American's to the moon in the 1960's. Strangely, "private enterprise" is yet to get there...
    Private enterprise is doing just fine, just ask John Carmack
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo_Aerospace

    he has a far better chance of getting the 'average' person into space than some bloated government bureaucracy.

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    • #92
      Re: Welcome To The Depression...

      Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
      There's been socialism for the rich in the USA since the 1950's. It's only the common poor folks that socialism is bad for. Socialism, of course, took American's to the moon in the 1960's. Strangely, "private enterprise" is yet to get there...
      In early 1965 I worked at a tube plant. The GE plant just north of the CNE on Dufferin in Toronto. What I did was build the circuit boards and worked on the program for the life testing of vacumn tubes. I have to tell you I never believed the first moon landing. Doubt they had the technology that early. Your view probably varies.

      Some people in the U.S. have social medicine as well. It kind of depends on who you are or what you did. As an example, a career soldier who served in Vietnam told me he was covered for any problems which were caused by his service or could be caused by stress. He had a heart transplant back in 1994 and had a web site which went through the regular check and biopsy which had to be done one his new heart. He called it a recycled part. Passed away last year. I used to debate with him on a politics message board and joke with him on the phone from time to time.

      I don't know if the bailout will work. Probably depends on how much they pay for the distressed mortgages. If it's 20 cents on the dollar the institutions could still be in serious trouble. If it's 80 cents or more on the dollar the final figure could be well in excess of 1 trillion dollars, I figure.

      I'd love to read the history books in 20 years.
      Gary Ruben
      CC - IA and SIM

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      • #93
        Re: Welcome To The Depression...

        Originally posted by Jason Lohner View Post
        Private enterprise is doing just fine, just ask John Carmack

        he has a far better chance of getting the 'average' person into space than some bloated government bureaucracy.
        Hasn't Russia been taking paying customers into space for several years now?

        Didn't they beat the U.S. government into space?

        The writeup on Cormack says he and his helpers didn't give up their day jobs.:)
        Gary Ruben
        CC - IA and SIM

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        • #94
          Re: Welcome To The Depression...

          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
          Then B.C. must be completed insulated from any calamity which may hit the rest of Canada and the U.S. Next time B.C. complains about the Softwood Lumber deal and the unfairness of the rules I'll know it's nonsense because you told me so.

          Are there lots of McJobs in B.C.?
          Not all of Canada has been hit with a "calamity".

          I wouldn't know about McJobs; I work for an engineering firm. Mindless labour is more up your alley, failure.
          everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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          • #95
            Re: Welcome To The Depression...

            Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
            I'd love to read the history books in 20 years.
            You won't.
            everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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            • #96
              Re: Welcome To The Depression...

              Originally posted by ben daswani View Post

              I wouldn't know about McJobs; I work for an engineering firm. Mindless labour is more up your alley, failure.
              Was it what you know or who you knew, patser?
              Gary Ruben
              CC - IA and SIM

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              • #97
                Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                Originally posted by Jason Lohner View Post
                Private enterprise is doing just fine, just ask John Carmack
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armadillo_Aerospace

                he has a far better chance of getting the 'average' person into space than some bloated government bureaucracy.
                But of course, he hasn't done it yet, wheras the socialized NASA did it back in the 1960's. A privately built rocket finally achieved orbit today, 51 years after governments did it.

                I'm not against markets, far from it I think they are one of humankind's greatest inventions. But markets exist for humankind, not the other way around as so many right wing idiologues seem to believe. Idiologues of any pursuasion are to be feared, of course, but right now the "right wing" ones are in the ascendicy and are therefore to be feared the most.

                The USA is actually far more socialized than Canada, but they have chosen to socialize things that generally make life worse for all but the very few, and would work better as markets, while things that would work better as government enterprises remain subject to the markets there.

                But anyone with a lick of sense can see that mixed market economies are by far the most successful ones in the long run.

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                • #98
                  Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                  Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                  Was it what you know or who you knew, patser?
                  It was how I'm smart, kid. What/who you know doesn't count for shit; you should try my way instead.
                  everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                  • #99
                    Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                    Originally posted by ben daswani View Post
                    It was how I'm smart, kid. What/who you know doesn't count for shit; you should try my way instead.
                    If you had a working brain you would have figured out that when we were discussing employment and I asked you if there are lots of McJobs, it was a question regarding how many low paying jobs a person had to work to get by. In this area people are working 2 and 3 part time jobs.

                    You took it as if I had asked you if you were working a McJob.
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                    • Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                      Mr. Ruben, do you still believe the 1969 moon landing was a fake?

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                      • Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                        Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                        If you had a working brain you would have figured out that when we were discussing employment and I asked you if there are lots of McJobs, it was a question regarding how many low paying jobs a person had to work to get by. In this area people are working 2 and 3 part time jobs.

                        You took it as if I had asked you if you were working a McJob.
                        If you had a working brain, you wouldn't be on the brink of death, old man. No one would have discerned that. I don't care how people in your area are doing. People in BC are doing fine.
                        everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                        • Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                          Originally posted by Charles Aronowitz View Post
                          Mr. Ruben, do you still believe the 1969 moon landing was a fake?
                          "Believe" is a word used in connection with religion and the tooth fairy. Interesting that you would use it in connection with the moon landing.
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                          • Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                            Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                            "Believe" is a word used in connection with religion and the tooth fairy. Interesting that you would use it in connection with the moon landing.
                            He used it in connection with a disbelief in the moon landing, so it's most appropriate. Simmer down.
                            everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                            • Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                              Hasn't Russia been taking paying customers into space for several years now?

                              Didn't they beat the U.S. government into space?

                              The writeup on Cormack says he and his helpers didn't give up their day jobs.:)
                              John Carmack is probably one of the greatest computer programmers of all time. I really hope he never gives up his day job. I tend to upgrade my computer with every release of id softwares games.

                              Getting into space is is SIDE job :) He spent 2 million so far and has a working prototype. All this from a guy who has little education but is self taught. A true genius.

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                              • Re: Welcome To The Depression...

                                Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
                                But of course, he hasn't done it yet, wheras the socialized NASA did it back in the 1960's. A privately built rocket finally achieved orbit today, 51 years after governments did it.

                                I'm not against markets, far from it I think they are one of humankind's greatest inventions. But markets exist for humankind, not the other way around as so many right wing idiologues seem to believe. Idiologues of any pursuasion are to be feared, of course, but right now the "right wing" ones are in the ascendicy and are therefore to be feared the most.

                                The USA is actually far more socialized than Canada, but they have chosen to socialize things that generally make life worse for all but the very few, and would work better as markets, while things that would work better as government enterprises remain subject to the markets there.

                                But anyone with a lick of sense can see that mixed market economies are by far the most successful ones in the long run.
                                USA socialism tends to go towards certain special interest groups, ie military. The problem with government run 'innovation' is exactly that... they don't innovate. This is why the government should stay out of most sectors.

                                A great example of this is the medical sector. Every time someone brings up private healthcare those on the left scream 'American style healthcare!' as the big bad boogyman. If the Left hasn't noticed, there is more than the US on this planet and perhaps we could look at other countries for innovation on how to bring affordable healthcare. Look at Sweden (one of the most socialist countries in the world). In sweden they allowed private companies to buy hospitals and run them for profit. What happened to wages? the average nurses wage jumped 10%! Everyone still had universal healthcare, but private companies ran the hospitals efficiently! That is affordable innovation in a 'traditional' government sector.

                                As for John Carmacks rocket, sure he started late, but he has spent a grand total of 2 million dollars building his prototype. Lets see NASA build anything that cheap.

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