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  • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

    Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post
    You did read the part where I said it's not for my benefit, but because you made a claim about Spencer without any backup whatsoever? So all these posts you just made, with all these links, you should have done alongside your initial claim. Talk about dropping the ball.... and you're in university, as a mature student no less, you really should know better. I should forward this to your profs, you'd lose a grade instantly. Actually two, for telling people that you are trying to swing to your point of view to "do your own googling". That's like a car salesman telling a customer to go to all the other dealerships in town before making a decision. You don't sell many cars that way.

    So, according to the internet gods, Spencer is a right-winger and doesn't believe in AGW or in theory of evolution. Extreme right-wingers, like extreme left-wingers, are suspect, I'll agree. Evolution, creation: nothing mutually exclusive there. Fossil fuel funding: definitely a red flag.

    So now the question shifts to the study itself and Spencer's role in it. Would you go so far as to say he fudged data? Or would you be more benign and say he's just arriving at wrong conclusions because of his vested interests? And if he's doing that, what can you tell us about the ACTUAL DATA of this particular study? Is it true or false that the data strongly refutes the AGW computer models? Why or why not?
    The models are highly simplistic in their assumptions and their ability to make predictions. It doesn't take Spencer to cast doubt upon them. Their proponents did a pretty good hatchet job on them as documented in the climategate emails. If you can't work the models backwards to make predictions based on actual data what is the point of the models? This was why it was necessary to use the "neat trick" to "hide the decline".

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    • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

      Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
      I think that I wil start a Beckwith Climate Change rating service (BCCRS) to rate peoples knowledge on climate change science. Here is a first cut:

      Bob Gillanders 1800 (understands the issues, member of Green Party)
      Paul, my BCCRS rating is eerily close to my CFC rating.

      Anyway, here is a video help Vlad with his BCCRS rating....

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBQ8-...eature=related

      I think I should get 25 BCCRS rating points for this post. :D:D

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      • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

        Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
        I think I should get 25 BCCRS rating points for this post. :D:D
        You sound like a patzer who thinks a higher rating will automatcially make you a better player.

        Take an extra 500 rating points. Drink from the fountain of youth. See the difference it makes?

        So simple is climate change... :)
        Gary Ruben
        CC - IA and SIM

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        • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
          You sound like a patzer who thinks a higher rating will automatcially make you a better player.

          Take an extra 500 rating points. Drink from the fountain of youth. See the difference it makes?

          So simple is climate change... :)
          But Gary, why do you hate me so much. :(:(
          At least I know how to spell. :D

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          • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

            Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
            But Gary, why do you hate me so much. :(:(
            At least I know how to spell. :D
            There you go. You have one good quality. You can spell.

            I don't hate you, Bob. I've never met you, that I can remember. I have never given the CFC money for anything while you were president nor have I ever played in anything you organized (that I know of or can recall). Why would you think you rate an emotion as strong as "hate" from me? That part I don't understand. Can you explain?

            Now I must run. I want to have a look at Kevin's blog. :)
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
              There you go. You have one good quality. You can spell.

              I don't hate you, Bob. I've never met you, that I can remember. I have never given the CFC money for anything while you were president nor have I ever played in anything you organized (that I know of or can recall). Why would you think you rate an emotion as strong as "hate" from me? That part I don't understand. Can you explain?

              Now I must run. I want to have a look at Kevin's blog. :)
              Don't deny your feelings Gary. I feel the dark side of the force is strong within you. Search your feelings. Let your anger and hatred grow. Admit it, you hate everyone! :o

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              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                Links to oil companies is no different to links to leftwing groups. Both have agenda's. Pressure goes both ways.

                What does one former Nasa scientist have to say about getting government funding to do research?

                “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

                http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...0-274616db87e6

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                • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                  Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                  Don't deny your feelings Gary. I feel the dark side of the force is strong within you. Search your feelings. Let your anger and hatred grow. Admit it, you hate everyone! :o
                  Do you see it in the tea leaves or is there a voice telling you these things?
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                  • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                    It looks like wind turbines have their downside as well. Anyone for a chopped bat salad? :)

                    Click Here...
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                    • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                      It looks like wind turbines have their downside as well. Anyone for a chopped bat salad? :)

                      Click Here...
                      Bats and condors, will the carnage never end??????

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                      • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                        Mr. Bonham and others; do yourself a favour and subscribe for free to Climate Progress. Here is a complete trashing of Roy Spencer by real climate scientists...

                        http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/0...te+Progress%29

                        Regarding Gary and Vlad's sudden concern about birds, they should call for the elimination of cats which kill orders of magnitude more birds than wind turbines.

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                        • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                          Updated ratings:

                          Vlad Drkulec 970 (loses 30 points for his comment on climate change models since he knows absolutely nothing about them, for example how many there are, who develops them, and the methods with which they approach the problem,; also loses 20 for his innane wind generator comment in ignoring scale of problems (i.e. failing to discuss cats))

                          Gary Ruben 1180 (for completely blowing bird kill issue out of proportion and being inconsistent about the environment, does he suddenly love birds and bats?)

                          Paul Bonham 1550 (Gain of 50 points for reading about the climate deniers, and showing a genuine interest in the views of other climatologist on these frauds)

                          Tom O'Donnell 1700
                          Chris Mallon 1700
                          Bob Gillanders 1820 (gain of 20 for humor while under attack from Gary's venom)
                          Larry Bevand 1900
                          Beckwith 2321 (for switching careers to study climate change I am assigning myself my highest chess rating)

                          Rating increases of 50 points are awarded automatically to any players who get on the automatic email list (free) of climate progress (just google it) and post links to an article or two which demonstrates they are reading stuff as a free subscriber. Think of all the fun you will have debunking lies from the koolaid drinking deniers...

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                          • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                            "Vlad Drkulec 970 (loses 30 points for his comment on climate change models since he knows absolutely nothing about them, for example how many there are, who develops them, and the methods with which they approach the problem,; also loses 20 for his innane wind generator comment in ignoring scale of problems (i.e. failing to discuss cats))"

                            Cats allowed to wander outdoors are an environmental CATastrophe. There,... does that make you happy?

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                            • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                              Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                              Gary Ruben 1180 (for completely blowing bird kill issue out of proportion and being inconsistent about the environment, does he suddenly love birds and bats?)
                              I have shares in Transalta, the company those who worry about the birds want to shut down operations.

                              It would seem from the article you could get a nice chopped Bat salad there. Don't let the feathers get caught between your teeth. I've never been there but apparantly the nature group has been.

                              I also used to breed tame birds ('tiels) so do have an active interest in the safety of our feathered friends.
                              Gary Ruben
                              CC - IA and SIM

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                              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                                Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                                Beckwith 2321 (for switching careers to study climate change
                                Your careers may be in a jeopardy.

                                "Deep cuts at Environment Canada...
                                News that scientists, meteorologists and engineers are among 776 jobs on the chopping block has department officials facing tough questions about how they plan to cope."

                                http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/p...itics-say?bn=1

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