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    The old one an only has become so long my computer doesn't want to load it properly and I haven't read it recently.

    You might recall I said the disaster in Japan wouldn't put a stop to nuclear power or the increase in reactors. The following will give you an idea of what is happening NOW to ensure supplies for the present and future reactors.

    Click Here....

    The light water nuclear reactors, which make up the vast majority of reactors, require low enriched uranium LEU, and USEC Inc. is a major supplier.
    Gary Ruben
    CC - IA and SIM

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    I hadn't read the old thread in quite a while, not since it was around 400 or so posts.

    Obviously the disaster in Japan has shown the need for some kind of international rapid-response team to deal with nuclear disasters. They could be fitted with whatever machinery and equipment might be needed - for example, perhaps some portable water pumps to help temporarily cool a storage pool while the main pumps are worked on?

    I found it rather interesting, on a different topic, that I've been saying for a few years that the only question in my mind is not WILL there be another "big" war, but will the next big war be over oil or food/water?

    I just saw the other day that there is a big conference coming up soon where they will be discussing the looming possibility of a war over fresh water.
    Christopher Mallon
    FIDE Arbiter

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      http://www.eia.doe.gov/cneaf/electri...m/epm_sum.html

      Interesting website on U.S. power generation. Coal seems to be the largest component of the energy puzzle there.

      Also from the site:

      "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) reported that although temperatures in the contiguous United States as a whole were near normal in December, geographical disparities led to heating degree day totals that were 9.9 percent above the average for December, and 2.4 percent higher than they were in December 2009."

      What I read from that is that consumers either perceived that it was colder than it was or NOAA's temperature data is incorrect.

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        Originally posted by Christopher Mallon View Post
        I found it rather interesting, on a different topic, that I've been saying for a few years that the only question in my mind is not WILL there be another "big" war, but will the next big war be over oil or food/water?

        I just saw the other day that there is a big conference coming up soon where they will be discussing the looming possibility of a war over fresh water.
        So far it looks like oil is winning as a war factor.

        Where do you think that wars over water are likely?

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          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
          You might recall I said the disaster in Japan wouldn't put a stop to nuclear power or the increase in reactors.
          Interesting website. I think that we are being painted into a corner by Ontario government policy which will require a big investment in nuclear power. I wonder what the backlash would be if they decided to fire up some of the mothballed coal plants again.

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            Originally posted by Christopher Mallon View Post
            Obviously the disaster in Japan has shown the need for some kind of international rapid-response team to deal with nuclear disasters. They could be fitted with whatever machinery and equipment might be needed - for example, perhaps some portable water pumps to help temporarily cool a storage pool while the main pumps are worked on?
            How about the disaster in Japan showing the need for a complete rethink as to how much stock we put in science? "Ahhh, so sorry... We not think about tsunami submerging diesel backup generators....lined up along ocean coast...in Ring of Fire earthquake zone.... We not think of it.... We just scientists...."
            Only the rushing is heard...
            Onward flies the bird.

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              "Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore abandoned the stunt monkeys years ago in disgust, saying while they started off as sincere environmentalists with a valid cause, they have, over the years, become increasingly “anti-human” in their views."

              “World communism failed, the wall came down (in 1989) and a lot of peaceniks and political activists moved into the environmental movement, bringing their neo-Marxism with them, and learned to use green language in a very clever way to cloak agendas that actually have more to do with anti-capitalism and anti-globalization than … ecology or science.”

              http://www.torontosun.com/comment/ed.../17732121.html

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                Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
                Interesting website. I think that we are being painted into a corner by Ontario government policy which will require a big investment in nuclear power. I wonder what the backlash would be if they decided to fire up some of the mothballed coal plants again.
                Usec is a public company which trades on New York. You get neat swings on price. I suppose it's because it's heavily shorted. They fuel roughly about half the light water reactors in the U.S. and about a quarter in the world.

                For various reasons, that's an important deal which was announced. The megatons to megawatts program where warheads were being changed to reactor fuel is ending in a year or two and this deal will help meet reactor demand. Now the uranium will come from mining.

                It wouldn't surprise me if Ontario went to a light water reactor at a lower price rather than a Candu. I guess we'll likely find out after the Ontario election.

                Coal plants are still in use in Alberta. They run on thermal coal. Sherritt is a big producer of Thermal coal. Probably natural gas would be preferable to coal for power generation. It burns cleaner.

                Did they mothball those coal plants or level them to the ground?
                Gary Ruben
                CC - IA and SIM

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                  Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
                  So far it looks like oil is winning as a war factor.
                  Libya exported around 1.6 million barrels a day of light sweet crude before this started. That's the kind that refines easy. I was reading it will be at least a year to 18 months to get it back up after this conflict ends. Likely the nations importing it will have to take heavier oil from elsewhere and maybe their refineries can handle that.
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                    Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
                    Interesting website on U.S. power generation. Coal seems to be the largest component of the energy puzzle there.
                    I knew the U.S. was using coal to generate electricity but didn't realize how much.
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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                      Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post
                      How about the disaster in Japan showing the need for a complete rethink as to how much stock we put in science? "Ahhh, so sorry... We not think about tsunami submerging diesel backup generators....lined up along ocean coast...in Ring of Fire earthquake zone.... We not think of it.... We just scientists...."
                      Well Japan is a bit of a special case, in that there really isn't a safe place in the country from natural disasters.

                      In general though, nobody cares about "potential" natural disasters. The best example of this is Naples. Not only do 2.2 million people live within the 15-minute kill zone of Vesuvius, but their best evacuation plans assume 3-4 weeks notice of an eruption.

                      That's why some people are starting to call them "Natural Hazards" and "Human Disasters" - it only becomes a disaster because humans do dumb things, effectively.
                      Christopher Mallon
                      FIDE Arbiter

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                        Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                        Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
                        So far it looks like oil is winning as a war factor.

                        Where do you think that wars over water are likely?
                        The thing with oil is that, in general, the countries who have it are pretty weak. The notable exception being Russia. So as a result, you can have relatively little or one-sided wars, such as Iraq (and you could argue Libya) but the only real chance of a major war would be involving Russia.

                        The other funny thing with oil is that you need it to actually fight the wars - lots of it, in fact.

                        As for water... I think we'll start seeing some fights breaking out small-scale at first. Lake Chad seems a likely flashpoint, and the situation with the Nile could flare up again now that Sudan is splitting in half. The differences of water vs oil is that you need fresh water to live, and also it is the poorer countries who need it.

                        What would happen if a large number of third-world countries decided they needed access to more fresh water? These are countries who at this point would be desperate, and have nothing to lose by fighting. Initial fights could be amongst themselves, but in the long run...

                        It will be interesting to see in the long run what happens with Canadian oil though, once USA and China start needing to fight over it. Of course USA is closer and stronger so it's not likely China would be able to maintain access, but that could have repercussions elsewhere in the world where China has more influence.
                        Christopher Mallon
                        FIDE Arbiter

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                          Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                          The old one an only has become so long my computer doesn't want to load it properly and I haven't read it recently.

                          You might recall I said the disaster in Japan wouldn't put a stop to nuclear power or the increase in reactors. The following will give you an idea of what is happening NOW to ensure supplies for the present and future reactors.

                          Click Here....

                          The light water nuclear reactors, which make up the vast majority of reactors, require low enriched uranium LEU, and USEC Inc. is a major supplier.
                          Hi Gary,

                          Good move starting this new thread. Just a few suggestions about the naming of it:

                          (1) could have named it the NEW and IMPROVED Climate Change Whatever... I know, it's an oxymoron, but hey, marketers use it all the time!

                          (2) could have gone even further: "NEW and IMPROVED, KINDLER AND GENTLER, machine gun-- er, Climate Change Whatever...

                          (apologies to Neil Young)
                          Only the rushing is heard...
                          Onward flies the bird.

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                            I didn't want it to be kinder and gentler. It's already too mushy. :) The large one wasn't loading properly on my computer. I was getting scripting errors, whatever they are, so I stopped clicking on that thread.
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                              Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                              I didn't want it to be kinder and gentler. It's already too mushy. :) The large one wasn't loading properly on my computer. I was getting scripting errors, whatever they are, so I stopped clicking on that thread.
                              Gary can't figure out how to use his computer or the forum and so rather than learn to do either he acts solely in his own imagined self interest.

                              Typical of the change deniers who care only about their interests, and short term ones at that.

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