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  • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post

    If the sun isn't getting any hotter, and the world axis and spin have not changed, then why should the weather/climate be becoming hotter?
    It seems the axis and spin did change as a result of the huge earthquake in Japan. Your argument does not seem to take this into consideration.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...lted-25cm.html
    Gary Ruben
    CC - IA and SIM

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      Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
      If you want to find the cause take a look in the sky at that thing called the sun, you know, the heat source for the solar system. The Martians and Venusians are enjoying a heatwave as well though their politicians are trying to claim its our emissions of greenhouse gases that is causing it which is just as silly as as what is coming out of the mouths of those with a vested interest in selling us carbon credits. On Earth we continue to come out of the last ice age.
      Never mind. Post deleted.
      Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Monday, 16th July, 2012, 05:15 PM.

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        Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
        Seems to me the answer has to lie in what is between us and the sun - the atmosphere. As I understand it that is what climate change scientists claim humans are altering with pollution, to our species detriment.
        Bob, that is it in a nutshell. We are changing the chemical makeup of our atmosphere which in turn is slowing the natural escape of heat into space, so we get a greenhouse effect.

        The science is sound, the evidence is compelling, climate change has now begun, as it was predicted, and it will get worse.

        Some will remain skeptical for now. But that is all just noise.
        Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Monday, 16th July, 2012, 05:48 PM.

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          Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
          Bob, that is it in a nutshell. We are changing the chemical makeup of our atmosphere which in turn is slowing the natural escape of heat into space, so we get a greenhouse effect.

          The science is sound, the evidence is compelling, climate change has now begun, as it was predicted, and it will get worse.

          Some will remain skeptical for now. But that is all just noise.
          There are some of us who have been labeled "deniers" by Mr. Beckwith, but who are not necessarily standing against this argument (which I must say, Bob, you very eloquently summarized).

          Instead of denying it, what we (I) have been asking is: what are the solutions that can prevent this, and would the human cost of those solutions outweigh the cost of allowing global climate change to simply run its course?

          Because in either case, we are talking about the die-off of 90% + of humanity. That is the crux of the situation.

          What is your feeling on this, Bob?
          Only the rushing is heard...
          Onward flies the bird.

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          • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

            Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
            Bob, that is it in a nutshell. We are changing the chemical makeup of our atmosphere which in turn is slowing the natural escape of heat into space, so we get a greenhouse effect.

            The science is sound, the evidence is compelling, climate change has now begun, as it was predicted, and it will get worse.

            Some will remain skeptical for now. But that is all just noise.
            The science is sound according to whom? You are not personally qualifed to make a pronouncement like that. At best you can say that you believe the science is sound although you don't actually understand it beyond a basic lay person's level. If you have in fact looked into it even at that level and not just reporting hear say evidence. How much have you actually done to research this besides Youtube videos?

            I've seen programs and scientists report that the world was doomed due to killer bees, an AIDS pandemic, SARS etc. Somehow we have managed to easily survive all those threats. I don't take science at face value.
            Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Tuesday, 17th July, 2012, 06:45 AM.

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              " Another blast of furnace-like heat is set to envelop the Greater Toronto Area on Tuesday — with the high expected to reach a blistering 37 C. "

              This " climbing out of the ice age " business is not nice - since we're causing this going forward, can we reverse it back to bring back that stellar ice age??

              Bob A

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              • Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...

                Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                can we reverse it back to bring back that stellar ice age??
                Just wait 5-6 months and you'll wish to have this hot weather :p

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                  You are right Bob A. Climate change is changing our climate. Basically it is forever on the scale of human lifetimes. Withing a decade Canada will enjoy a tropical rainforest like climate. No snow in winter, humid and tropical year-round with seasonal effects more or less swamped out by greenhouse gases. No ice on the Arctic Ocean and rapid sea level rise from incredible massacre of Greenland Ice sheet. Food shortages and chaos around the planet. Well under way already.

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                    Vlad is completely delusional, a rapid climate change denier. Sick really, his views are putting a lot of people around the world in peril. Complete and utter nonsense continues to spew forth from his shriveled brain. Not in complete harmony with reality. Getting more and more ridiculous as the climate change becomes more and more obvious. At least it humors us on Chesstalk and provides for an interesting read.

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                      Bob, I am a physicist, an engineer, and a budding climatologist and you are absolutely correct about the sun. Vlad is shooting blanks out of his nether region by speaking in rapid emotional terms and ignoring all the science, he has NO scientific background and likely has never read a decent book on the subject. Have a look at the web site (google Skeptical Science); there are many links that explain everything you want.

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                        Nice try Gary. Those changes from the Japan quake were tiny, eeny weeny, negligible. You like picking nits out of a herd of wooly mammoths.

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                          Come on Bob G., do not hold back. Amazing how an otherwise perfectly normal person like Vlad can become a raving lunatic regarding climate change is a fascinating study in the weaknesses of the human psyche.

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                            Mr Bonham, to avoid a rapid transition this decade to a much warmer climate (and unrecognizable our existing one) we have a shot, a good shot. We need to apply regional geoengineering to the Arctic region to keep the sea ice intact. There are many good ways to do this, I highly recommend that you and everyone else on this site have a good look at the group that I work with called AMEG (Arctic Methane Emergency Group) and see our ideas on geoengineering.

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                              Mr Kitich would easily fit into the Harper regime of climate denialists. Join the delusional cabal of climate denying people that are not in command of their faculties and logic.

                              The science is sound according to scientists. 98% of them. Surely you know this, if not then you know absolutely nothing on the issue and should stick to posting about chess.

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                                Bob A, there is no point putting any weight to Vlad's ramblings. He has no technical or scientific credentials. Ask him about his science background, I think it dates back to primary school and picture books of polar bears. More currently, his science is from Fox News and the Simpsons, not sources that he wants to quote.

                                Look at the website skeptical science and read about ice age/non ice age cycles and how they are on long timescales and relate to the changes in the earth orbit, tilt, and movement of tilt axis relative to the sun.

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