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I want to thank Vlad and Gary and others for putting my posts to the "iron"; they have helped me hone my skills at putting together powerful and coherent arguments regarding climate change.
I'm always happy to help youngsters form coherent arguments. :)
Last edited by Gary Ruben; Tuesday, 12th June, 2012, 03:23 PM.
I'm always happy to help youngsters form coherent arguments. :)
He seems you to think you helped him move from incoherent to less incoherent and that has to bring a tear to the eye Gary. Congrats. Here's hoping you can help him grow up intellectually some more in the future. (Don't rain on his parade by pointing out the obvious that there has been no improvement in his incoherence... that would be mean.)
After all he's seemingly admitting that climate change is all about the arguments and not about the science or facts. If you have a convincing argument that's all you need according to Beckwith. Good to know.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Tuesday, 12th June, 2012, 04:20 PM.
Reason: Paul's getting better at argumentation
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
Keep trying Mr. Kitich. It is amazing how you have so much trouble stringing words together and getting some sort of idea or meaning out. At least your persistence is admirable.
Keep trying Mr. Kitich. It is amazing how you have so much trouble stringing words together and getting some sort of idea or meaning out. At least your persistence is admirable.
I've been secretly taking lessons from Vlad and Gary. If there is hope for someone like you, even a faint glimmer then there's hope for all of us in this world.
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
On a more serious note, will any of your suggestions be implemented? Who's on that committee?
With the food supply, I thought they were trying to improve the yield per acre with better fertilization. I guess we'll find out of dismantling the wheat board will be allow the small operations to continue.
I want to thank Vlad and Gary and others for putting my posts to the "iron"; they have helped me hone my skills at putting together powerful and coherent arguments regarding climate change.
Methinks merely using more powerful arguments won't do the trick on selling your side of the discussion. Hopefully the Conservatives listening weren't swayed. Your insights on the vision thread were to the point and useful. I can't really say that your arguments on this thread and its predecessors have been particularly powerful though I have been engaged in these arguments for a very long time with people with better and worse debating styles than you have shown here.
"These are not great souls who alert us to troubles but tiny minds who wish us suffering if we refuse to listen to them." - Pascal Bruckner
I just bought a book by Pascal Bruckner, "Perpetual Euphoria: On the Duty to Be Happy". I knew nothing of him before reading a few passages from that book. He is a very interesting and powerful writer and I like him even better now that I have seen what else he has chosen to write about. I just happened to pick up his book in the philosophy section at the local Chapters and it passed the usual new book test with flying colours.
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
Arctic temperatures are off the charts and the meteorology is completely fragmented. Make no mistake folks, this is a game changer for global climate, not just the Arctic climate. Sea ice area is collapsing into a death spiral and it is quite feasable that it could vanish by end-September this year. The sun is highest on the solstice on Jun 21st in a few days so the melt in the next few weeks is crucial in determining the final state at the end of the summer. If the albedo darkening from melt pools on the ice accelerate in area faster than the solar intensity decreases after the solstice then the acceleration of ice melt will continue. My presentation on this at the Parliament all-party climate change caucus is supposed to be emailed to all MPs but I am not sure that the message is getting to these folks. I do know that some MPs are passing the info to their followers, just yesterday one shared it to over 42,000 people so there is a message getting out.
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
What are the numbers in the center of the chart moving outward?
I read Japan is staring up a couple of nuclear reactors. One should be online by the beginning of July and the other by the middle of July. I'd expect most will be restarted as they provided about a third of Japan's electricity. Do you view this as positive or negative?
Germany was planning on taking all their nuclear reactors out of service but with the state of the Eurozone I'd expect that to be revised. To what extent it is likely to be revised I don't know.
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
According to the graph, the 3,6,9, 12 are millions of square kilometres of ice. But don't be fooled by the appearance of the graph - it's not a map of the arctic but a plot of area over time. The angle indicates the day of the year.
The graph tells us that in winter the ice doesn't freeze as far (south) as it used to, and by September the melt is much further (north) than it has been in the past. The yellow and red lines aren't as significant as the other bold lines because they represent fewer years' data, but they are the most recent data and do fit the overall trend. You can tell by the pale lines that the change isn't uniformly down but varies considerably from year to year, but the trend is obvious.
Last edited by Alan Baljeu; Wednesday, 20th June, 2012, 03:37 PM.
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