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I have no problem with this statement, as long as it is accepted the correlated effect that there will be a loss of sponsorship opportunities.
You might just as well, for example, ask why at Wimbledon, the players are required to wear primarily all white attire - that's the rules of the sponsor and host, and you can either abide, or you can choose not to and you won't be there (I believe Andre Agassi chose not to attend for several years for this reason early in his career). There is no option of "what does the color of my shirt have to do with my tennis. Wimbledon needs no such codes."
What do people who are eliminated at Wimbledon in the first round get? Ten thousand? Twenty? I mean seriously, you think people should spend more money than they will ever win in prizes on suits? What the heck am I going to do with the suit? I try to arrange my lifestyle to not have to waste money dressing up in monkeywear, thanks.
If people are serious about dress code stuff, then here's my suggestion: get some suit company to sponsor the event. Anyone who participates gets two or three suits before play begins. Otherwise I find it quite insulting to be told that I have to shell out a bunch of money to look like some bankster while getting an hourly return akin to the guy collecting cans on the side of the road.
"Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
What do people who are eliminated at Wimbledon in the first round get? Ten thousand? Twenty? I mean seriously, you think people should spend more money than they will ever win in prizes on suits? What the heck am I going to do with the suit? I try to arrange my lifestyle to not have to waste money dressing up in monkeywear, thanks.
Like I say - if you want to dress how you want to dress, I have no objection to that in the least (and relative to chess, an opinion I share). I just object to Jean Hebert pairing these two statements:
1) No one sponsors chess/no one finds sponsors for chess
2) I don't want to do what potential sponsors want
No dress code that I can see at the World Cup (but no one looks like a "slob", and I sure all have showered before the game :-) ). Even Kirsan has no tie at the opening ceremonies.
No dress code that I can see at the World Cup (but no one looks like a "slob", and I sure all have showered before the game :-) ). Even Kirsan has no tie at the opening ceremonies.
Speaking of "showering" ... the one evening I visited the recent Canadian Open in Toronto, the first thing I noticed on entering the playing hall was the rather obvious stench of body odour.
Obviously, not all players or spectators were contributing to that effect, but it seemed to me that a LOT of them must have been!
When I was chatting with Aris, I mentioned that the air conditioning seemed to be not up to the task and he said it was a challenge at the start of a round with everyone in the same room.
Maybe the prizes should include some antiperspirant? There is a sponsorship opportunity!!
Last edited by Kerry Liles; Thursday, 22nd September, 2011, 10:58 AM.
Reason: clarification
In women's beach volleyball the dress (undress?) code required is to play in very small bikinis. Dress code for corporate executives, bodyguards and mafia gunmen ? Suits and ties! Chess needs no such codes.
If you went with the beach volleyball dress code you could see some oversize 450 lb chess player in a speedo. That would really attract sponsorship or maybe just flies...
Speaking of "showering" ... the one evening I visited the recent Canadian Open in Toronto, the first thing I noticed on entering the playing hall was the rather obvious stench of body odour.
Obviously, not all players or spectators were contributing to that effect, but it seemed to me that a LOT of them must have been!
When I was chatting with Aris, I mentioned that the air conditioning seemed to be not up to the task and he said it was a challenge at the start of a round with everyone in the same room.
Maybe the prizes should include some antiperspirant? There is a sponsorship opportunity!!
In many venues requiring anything other than shorts and a t-shirt during the summer months could be ruled a charter of rights violation or perhaps as cruel and unusual punishment notwithstanding the penchant of some to take liberties with personal hygiene.
For a one off sponsorship of $10,000, I suspect that the correct decision was made. The players as a whole would have been worse off under that type of sponsorship arrangement.
Some time ago FIDE wanted to implement a dress code too. Even a design was presented. Maybe chessbase still has some photos. The greats follow a suit&tie attire, just check World Champions. Even B.F. changed his attitude.
IMHO, chess is sport, thus t-shirts are not out of context :p
What are other organizations doing - and what should we be doing in high-level events regarding a dress code? I spoke to a spectator at the recent Montreal Open (it was his first time at a chess tournament), and he commented to me on the general appearance (or lack of it) amongst the players in the Open section.
Should our top events (e.g. Canadian Closed, top sections of major Opens in large cities, etc.) have some sort of dress code? At least, the media would learn that not all chess players dress like bums. We want to attract sponsors to these types of events, and what better way to impress them?
I'm not saying there should be a dress code for everyone but just for the "elite" events for which the media should be approached.
Before even thinking about a dress code, chess has to think about some more basic issues such as personal hygiene. Putting a suit on someone who isn't clean is akin to putting lipstick on a pig. I have never been to a tournament that didn't feature people who consistently smelled badly and presented themselves as being unaware of basic requirements for cleanliness. How many times do you see people wearing the same unwashed clothing for days at a stretch?
As for a dress code, I think there could be room for improvement. If an elite event wants to make proper dress a condition of participation, I see nothing wrong with that. the players will decide if it's worth their while.
In lesser events, there could be a code of conduct that prohibits jeans, shorts, t-shirts, tank-tops, etc. It would be akin to "resort casual" on a cruise ship or resort. Players could be required to wear clean clothes and shirts with collars. I understand that would be seem as undue interference by some, but if the goal of the exercise is to raise chess in the public eye, then you have to start somewhere.
There once were some patzers from T.O.
That gave off the stench of bad B.O.
After pawn to King four.
I ran for the door.
Now I can't play my favorite cheapo
What was the dress code for the World Cup? They had sponsorship. Even correspondence chess has had sponsorship for events.
I'm sure in some places, sponsorship is available with fewer conditions, ie, in places where the value of being associated with the player shows positive return. In those cases, the players have more leverage and can choose to accept or not accept the conditions.
A dress code is a red herring. Particularly with so many youngsters involved in the game at the higher level events.
Saying it's a red herring doesn't make the sponsor hand over the cheque.
Saying it's a red herring doesn't make the sponsor hand over the cheque.
No, but when a person who knows something about the game doesn't really want to sponsor, a dress code become a handy reason.
I'm reading stuff here about body odor and that sort of thing. Possibly my nose isn't as delicate as that of some others. The work calls I had to make included places like sewage treatment plants, rendering plants, abbattoirs, etc., etc. and I never smelled anything like that at the tournaments. There seems to be whole range of things which bug people about the players beside the way they dress, and not things which bug me.
Other than strictly invitational events, I'm not convinced a dress code is any kind of priority. I don't think it would do much to increase the number of players to get into how people dress and groom themselves.
I just object to Jean Hebert pairing these two statements:
1) No one sponsors chess/no one finds sponsors for chess
2) I don't want to do what potential sponsors want
This is your kind of pairing not mine! What else can you imagine to "object" ?
Would you play chess standing on your head or move the pieces with your toes if a sponsor demanded it ? There are reasonable things a sponsor can ask for his money. Demanding people to play dress up in suits and ties at their own expenses and discomfort is not one of them.
This is your kind of pairing not mine! What else can you imagine to "object" ?
Would you play chess standing on your head or move the pieces with your toes if a sponsor demanded it ? There are reasonable things a sponsor can ask for his money. Demanding people to play dress up in suits and ties at their own expenses and discomfort is not one of them.
Mr Obvious says that it wouldn't be at their own expense if sponsors came forward with considerably enhanced prize funds.
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