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  • #16
    Re: Let the World Championship begin!

    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
    Imagine the catastrophe for the Chess World if a player not even close to the top ten such as Gelfand wins a game and then hang on to win the match, or even worse, wins the title following a tie-breaker. What credibility would the FIDE world championship have after that ?
    Imagine the catastrophe for the Chess World if THIS didn't win.......

    TEAM GELFAND

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    • #17
      Re: Let the World Championship begin!

      Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
      Imagine the catastrophe for the Chess World if a player not even close to the top ten such as Gelfand wins a game and then hang on to win the match, or even worse, wins the title following a tie-breaker. What credibility would the FIDE world championship have after that ?
      They're just avoiding.....
      Morphy's Law - If a position can go wrong, it will!


      FR
      _____________________
      "If chess is the royal game,
      Anand is the King's Indian!"

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      • #18
        Re: Let the World Championship begin!

        [QUOTE=Aman Hambleton;50687]Imagine the catastrophe for the Chess World if THIS didn't win.......

        I'm going to mull over that possibility
        at breakfast in passing i.e. en croissant:-)


        FR
        _____________________
        "If chess is the royal game,
        Anand is the King's Indian!"

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        • #19
          Re: Let the World Championship begin!

          The World Championship Committee designs the cycle. They are Bareev, Sutovsky and 2 FIDE dudes - Makro and Gelfer I believe (both IMs). Kirsan travels in his spaceship by himself mostly.

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          • #20
            Re: Let the World Championship begin!

            Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
            Imagine the catastrophe for the Chess World if a player not even close to the top ten such as Gelfand wins a game and then hang on to win the match, or even worse, wins the title following a tie-breaker. What credibility would the FIDE world championship have after that ?
            Imagine the double catastrophe if it was a Canadian...

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            • #21
              Re: Let the World Championship begin!

              Why don't they go back to the 24 game match? Players are afraid one mistake will lose the title because it's too hard to force a win over the few remaining games.

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              • #22
                Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                A more radical idea, not mine but interesting:

                Play the rapid match before the main match. The winner gets 1/2 point going into the main match, and the loser gets the first white. This way, every game one player must fight for a win, as repeated drawing heads to a match loss.

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                • #23
                  Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                  Originally posted by Alan Baljeu View Post
                  A more radical idea, not mine but interesting:

                  Play the rapid match before the main match. The winner gets 1/2 point going into the main match, and the loser gets the first white. This way, every game one player must fight for a win, as repeated drawing heads to a match loss.
                  It is interesting (who was the originator of the idea - do you know?) I still don't like having the World Championship - or any major tournament - depend on anything other than classic time controls.
                  ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                    First off, the players don't want a 24 game match. Second, the match is only one third complete, so all this speculating is a tad premature. Third, is it a catastrophe when the first place NHL team fails to win the Stanley Cup, or when upsets happen in any other sport? Sheesh!

                    Gelfand's road to the WCC has been tough. He deserves this chance! He has been devoted to this match for the past 7 months and is extremely well prepared. So saying, I'm sure everyone expects Anand to bring it tomorrow. It's his last white until game 8.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                      Originally posted by Alan Baljeu View Post
                      A more radical idea, not mine but interesting:

                      Play the rapid match before the main match. The winner gets 1/2 point going into the main match, and the loser gets the first white. This way, every game one player must fight for a win, as repeated drawing heads to a match loss.
                      To me this is a no-brainer. Considering the nature of chess with its tendancy towards draws, one player must start the match with a need to win a game otherwise riskless draws are in the cards even more. There was a important piece of wisdom behind the old rule that made the champion retain his title in case of a drawn match. In many individual sports where ties are possible (ex: boxing) the champion must be beaten to lose his title. But with Iljumzhinov, all wisdom has been long forgotten and buried.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                        Hal's right about Gelfand. If he has a much lower rating, it's more because he lets it slide than because he's not as capable. He aims for tournament success, not rating points. Which means it's okay to take a game easy if it won't affect the tournament placement, though it does affect rating.

                        To get here he won the World Cup tournament and beat 3 of the best players in consecutive matches. (The 4 game matches should have been longer, but next year will have a tournament so it doesn't matter.)


                        Players prefer short matches? I guess I hadn't heard. Kramnik recently said 12 games is too short, and even 16 is much better.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                          The fact Gelfand is not to top ten is unrelevant here. Would have Caruana for example been a stronger candidate? Gelfand won the Candidates in an impressive fashion, not even being in real danger with the exception of one game against Kamsky while creating a memorable game against Mamediarov.
                          Also he was 2-3 in Mexico City 2007, so he is as dangerous as it could be.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                            The picture is funny, but if you read few interviews with Gelfand, you'll see he is not a joke...has quite substance in his thoughts.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                              Originally posted by Hal Bond View Post
                              First off, the players don't want a 24 game match. Second, the match is only one third complete, so all this speculating is a tad premature. Third, is it a catastrophe when the first place NHL team fails to win the Stanley Cup, or when upsets happen in any other sport? Sheesh!

                              Gelfand's road to the WCC has been tough. He deserves this chance! He has been devoted to this match for the past 7 months and is extremely well prepared. So saying, I'm sure everyone expects Anand to bring it tomorrow. It's his last white until game 8.
                              Gelfand certainly deserves this shot - of course.
                              ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Let the World Championship begin!

                                I would like to see more innovative approach from top players rather than waiting for FIDE to create that anti-computer format for the World Championship match.
                                Aronian, and partially Carlsen and Nakamura are trying something...

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