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To be fair, there are some in Canada who would consider the Cons an extreme party! In our country the "extreme" parties are the same ones who get democratically elected in others (didn't Moldova vote in a Communist in the early 2000s)?
To be fair, there are some in Canada who would consider the Cons an extreme party! In our country the "extreme" parties are the same ones who get democratically elected in others (didn't Moldova vote in a Communist in the early 2000s)?
I would hazard to guess that far more Canadians think Marxist/Communist parties are at least far more extreme than the Cons. Anyway, to each voter his own definition of 'extreme'.
Fwiw, much of the western world, and at least one Pope, fought and won a (cold) war against a major communist nation. Canada played a (small) role too, hence I think that may back up my previous first sentence of this post, somewhat anyway. :)
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Friday, 25th October, 2013, 05:07 PM.
Reason: Grammar
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
I know you don't believe in polls, Gary, but they do often have currency. I knew you'd want to know about this one - will stir your commitment to get that $ 20 saved up in advance!!
Bob A, NDP supporter
CityNewsToronto - on-line today:
"The government is taking a new tack that could finally end the politically toxic debate over three disgraced Conservative senators — just in time for Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s crucial speech to party faithful on Friday.
The procedural manoeuvre may also have the added political benefit of papering over the rift that’s erupted in Conservative ranks over the proposed suspensions of the trio, making it harder for Tory senators to vote against the government.
It was unveiled Wednesday, moments after Senate Speaker Noel Kinsella ruled out of order the government’s attempt to limit debate on three separate motions to suspend, without pay, senators Mike Duffy, Pamela Wallin and Patrick Brazeau.
The motions had been introduced two weeks ago by government Senate leader Claude Carignan as non-government business and have been preoccupying the upper house ever since.
Debate has been punctuated by two explosive interventions from Duffy, who accused the Prime Minister’s Office of orchestrating a secret deal to reimburse his allegedly invalid expense claims and coaching him to lie about it.
Kinsella ruled Wednesday that closure can only be imposed on debate over government business.
Carignan immediately served notice that he’ll replace the three non-government motions with a single government motion to suspend the trio.
The new motion softens the proposed sanctions somewhat: the three would still be stripped of their paycheques, Senate resources and privileges but would be allowed to retain their Senate life insurance, prescription drug and dental benefits.
Carignan’s office would not comment on its anticipated timetable for the new motion. Carignan said a vote could come as early as Thursday while some Conservative senators said they don’t expect a vote before next week.
But Liberal senators had little doubt the PMO was pulling the strings to ensure the long, drawn-out, damaging debate is over by the time Harper is scheduled to give the keynote speech Friday evening at the Conservative party’s national convention in Calgary.
As government business, Carignan could technically introduce a closure motion Thursday after brief debate on the new motion, according to Liberal Senate officials. The closure motion would require six hours of debate on Friday, after which a vote could be called late that afternoon.
The problem with Carignan’s original approach arose when the debate didn’t proceed fast enough to suit Harper’s political agenda, asserted Liberal Sen. David Smith.
“Everybody wasn’t just saying, ‘Hail Mary,’ and moving with holy haste so Harper could nail the lid on three motions with great big spikes before Calgary.”
Carignan said the vote, whenever it comes, will be a “totally free vote” for Conservative senators.
But Sen. Hugh Segal, who has led the dissident Conservative charge against the suspension motions, said the fact that the suspensions are now a matter of government business will make it harder for him to vote his conscience.
“I have to assess what I’m going to do between now and then. As a general principle, I’ve never voted against a government motion,” he said.
While he lauded the government’s willingness to let the three senators keep some benefits as a “touch of humanity,” Segal said it doesn’t change his belief that the proposed suspensions amount to sentencing the trio before they’re charged, given a fair trial or convicted of any wrongdoing.
A grim-faced Sen. Don Plett, a former Conservative party president who has also spoken out against the suspensions, marched past reporters.
“Well, I’ve had happier weeks,” he said through gritted teeth.
Later, Plett said his views on the proposed suspensions have changed “somewhat” now that they are part of a government motion.
There was evidence, however, that the prolonged debate has already taken its toll on Conservative solidarity.
At one point Wednesday, Tory Sen. Nicole Eaton emerged from the chamber as Segal was speaking at length with reporters. Seeing the scrum, she visibly rolled her eyes and was overheard to mutter: “Oh, shut up.”
Later in the day, Segal was the only Conservative senator to support a Liberal bid to defer a decision on the proposed suspensions until the trio are given a fair hearing before a Senate committee. Wallin also supported the idea, while Brazeau and Duffy were not in the chamber.
“I have been absolutely consistent. I would like a fair hearing,” Wallin said after the Liberal proposal was defeated.
In the House of Commons, meanwhile, opposition parties continued to grill Harper over Duffy’s latest revelation, that the Conservative party paid his $13,500 legal fees. That’s on top of the well-known $90,000 Harper’s former chief of staff, Nigel Wright, gave Duffy to reimburse the Senate for his expenses.
“If, as the prime minister says, he does not defend the actions of Mr. Duffy, why then is he literally paying to defend the actions of Mr. Duffy?” questioned NDP Leader Tom Mulcair [NDP Leader].
Harper continued to insist it’s routine for all political parties to pay legal expenses for its caucus members."
Is this the party that Canadians want to bring back as the next majority federal government??
I haven't checked the polls, but as far as Monday's four federal byelections go it wouldn't surprise me if the Liberals sweep. Two of the four I have heard are safe Liberal seats, while the one in Manitoba that the Cons were counting on as being safe for them is now apparently in play, with a heavy turnout at the advance polls and Justin Trudeau spending a lot of time visiting the riding.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
I haven't checked the polls, but as far as Monday's four federal byelections go it wouldn't surprise me if the Liberals sweep. Two of the four I have heard are safe Liberal seats, while the one in Manitoba that the Cons were counting on as being safe for them is now apparently in play, with a heavy turnout at the advance polls and Justin Trudeau spending a lot of time visiting the riding.
Hi Kevin:
In Toronto (Toronto-Centre?), the NDP has a hope in Linda McQuaig, despite the Liberal history there.
It looks like the CCL plant in Penetang is closing.
Taxation and higher energy prices will continue in Ontario until the morale improves. Buy green energy. It's cheap at twice the price.
Strange that the report from the FP doesn't mention those reasons at all. Perhaps they didn't get the memo.
Originally posted by Financial Post
The rising Canadian dollar and its distance from key customers hurt the operation about 150 kilometres north of Toronto.
It's no comfort for the 170 workers who will have to look for work elsewhere, but one wonders what the (environmental) consequences of an aerosol container factory are in any case. See The Aerosol Can Debate Continues
The discovery of the ozone hole in 1985 over Antarctica sparked the strengthening of the Montreal Protocol, which restricted the industrial production of chlorinated and brominated compounds, as well as the more commonly know chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs) emitted from aerosol spray cans.
According to the EPA, CFCs were officially banned from aerosol cans in 1978. While airborne CFCs are no longer an issue, aerosol cans still have hazardous characteristics, making them hard to recycle.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Strange that the report from the FP doesn't mention those reasons at all. Perhaps they didn't get the memo.
The article mentions the operation had not made money since 2009. They call it unprofitable. Presumable they will make money by moving production to the U.S, and Mexico.
It's no comfort for the 170 workers who will have to look for work elsewhere, but one wonders what the (environmental) consequences of an aerosol container factory are in any case. See The Aerosol Can Debate Continues
Do you mean you wonder? I don't care. I'm more interested in seeing a provincial government which can keep jobs in Ontario.
Increasing electricity costs is a tax on business. The more electricity used the greater the tax burden. When calculating the cost of producing an item the electricity cost has to e viewed on a per item basis.
In the U.S. they still make close to 40% of their electricity from cheap coal.
In Toronto (Toronto-Centre?), the NDP has a hope in Linda McQuaig, despite the Liberal history there.
Bob A
Faint hope apparently. I had a hard time finding out the results of the election on the news as it seemed low on the priority list. Good thing there is an internet to get the unvarnished results. Conservatives hang on and win two previously held seats and Liberals win two previously held seats is the final result. Not looking good for the NDP and their prospects. Conservatives are as weak as they ever will be due to the ongoing Senate scandals. Justin Trudeau passes his first test.
I don`t normally follow the huffingtonpost.com but they were one of the first results on a google search.
Faint hope apparently. I had a had time finding out the results of the election on the news as it seemed low on the priority list. Good thing there is an internet to get the unvarnished results. Conservatives hang on and win two previously held seats and Liberals win two previously held seats is the final result. Not looking good for the NDP and their prospects. Conservatives are as weak as they ever will be due to the ongoing Senate scandals. Justin Trudeau passes his first test.
I don`t normally follow the huffingtonpost.com but they were one of the first results on a google search.
Well, I didn't hear another China blooper out of our Mister Wonderful. And it seems the public is interested in him.
What's interesting however, is that the Liberals got into dogfights with both the Conservatives, and the NDP. Both the Conservatives and the NDP maybe now see they have a formidable force to reckon with. I bet many ridings will now see the Liberals battering at both Conservative and NDP ridings, and turning them into a 2-way battle, with the third party lagging far behind usually.
So are the Liberals going to wrest any ridings away? Seems they are going to get some, though they just missed this time.
I predict a Conservative minority, an NDP Opposition (reduced somewhat), and the Lib's just missing getting ahead of the NDP.
Anyone else want to hazard a prediction after seeing this mini-run of the 2015 election?
Anyone else want to hazard a prediction after seeing this mini-run of the 2015 election?
Bob A
A Liberal majority, an NDP official opposition, and the Conservatives no-where!
Do you see the uncanny similarity today to the demise of Mulroney, when he was moved out as arguably the most unpopular P.M. in history....remember "lyin' Brian"....to leave the hapless and hopeless Kim Campbell to preside over the devastating reduction to two seats? Who do you think the hapless Conservative sap will be in 2015?
The electorate will vote for change, without getting all confused with facts or records......lol!
I predict a Conservative minority, an NDP Opposition (reduced somewhat), and the Lib's just missing getting ahead of the NDP.
Hmmm........ You wanna send me my $20. now?
I would imagine the next federal election will be about the same time as the Ontario Municipal. Hopefully, it will be close enough the candidates will have to choose one election or the other.
Watching Chow on TV she seems to be considering contesting the mayoralty position. A great campaign slogan would be Chow For Now.
This could be fun if she runs, Tory runs, Ford runs, Minnyon-Wong runs, and an assortment of left wingers whose names completely escape me.
Watching U.S. TV it looks like Ontario and Toronto are being portrayed as jurisdictions which don't understand the importance of having elected officials. Not really a good place to do business. Rob is funny on TV BUT many people are smart enough to listen to the underlying message on the lack of democracy in this province. Country Risk, if you know what that is, comes into investing decisions. You might have noticed that huge investment in the Ring of Fire chromite deposit has been suspended. I don't see it coming back this decade.
To quote a profound American philosopher: "It 'aint over, 'til it's over!"
Bob A
Hi Bob,
It's over. I doubt Chow would be considering a run at Toronto mayor if she thought she had a chance to make a real difference as a minister in a federal government.
.......I predict a Conservative minority, an NDP Opposition (reduced somewhat), and the Lib's just missing getting ahead of the NDP.......Bob A
Hi Gary:
This is only my prediction for the moment. We have a long time 'til V-day. Things can happen that change the outlook - like a Harper conviction. So don't start spending that $ 20 of mine yet, even if I have at this moment, conceded the possibility that the NDP may not form the next federal government of Canada.
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