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it does raise an important point that organizers should be aware of. If a Quebec resident shows up at your tournament without a valid FQE or CFC membership, you should renew their FQE membership. :)
Jean Hebert is entitled to his own opinions, but has nothing to do with the FQE and is definitely not a FQE spokesman. Nobody at the FQE expect that people organizing a CFC tournament in Ontario, BC, Nova Scotia or Whatever should have the trouble of selling FQE memberships. Of course they won't have to. If a Quebec resident shows up and realizes that he forgot to renew his FQE membership, who cares? Just take his entry fee and let him play, he will renew when he'll be back in Quebec.
Just take his entry fee and let him play, he will renew when he'll be back in Quebec.
That's another first, people play and then are expected to do the right thing (for the other federation) later... What we have here is not a deal, it is a revolution. :)
Nobody at the FQE expect that people organizing a CFC tournament in Ontario, BC, Nova Scotia or Whatever should have the trouble of selling FQE memberships.
That's unfortunate because some people outside Quebec were apparently willing to do it and abide by the spirit of the agreement. The FQE is such a friendly partner, it does not even ask for what it could get with minimal resistance (more governor votes among other things...). The CFC should quickly move into the wake of such a deal and seek for more of the same.
Last edited by Jean Hébert; Monday, 27th August, 2012, 07:54 PM.
Shouldn't you say CFC or FQE membership required ?
Jean,
The following is extracted from the ''Rules of the Montreal Open 2012'' on the FQE website:
''Membership : Tous les participants doivent être membres de la FQE. Ils doivent s'en assurer avant le tournoi, ou à défaut, durant le tournoi. Un joueur non membre ne peut gagner un prix.''
''Membership : All the participants must be members of the FQE. They have to ensure this before the tournament or at least during it. A player who is a non-member cannot win a prize.''
The first part seems to be as equal a ''breach of the agreement'' as the rules set for the Ottawa Autumn Open. A CFC membership will suffice for the Montreal Open, of course...
The second part seems even worse... I'm not a member of the FQE, I'm a member of the CFC, which entitles me to entry. But even if I'm allowed entry, does this mean I cannot win any prizes???
Basically, I think nobody can be faulted too seriously when we all know the intended meaning. Is it really that big of a deal?
The following is extracted from the ''Rules of the Montreal Open 2012'' on the FQE website:
''Membership : Tous les participants doivent être membres de la FQE. Ils doivent s'en assurer avant le tournoi, ou à défaut, durant le tournoi. Un joueur non membre ne peut gagner un prix.''
''Membership : All the participants must be members of the FQE. They have to ensure this before the tournament or at least during it. A player who is a non-member cannot win a prize.''
The first part seems to be as equal a ''breach of the agreement'' as the rules set for the Ottawa Autumn Open. A CFC membership will suffice for the Montreal Open, of course...
The second part seems even worse... I'm not a member of the FQE, I'm a member of the CFC, which entitles me to entry. But even if I'm allowed entry, does this mean I cannot win any prizes???
Basically, I think nobody can be faulted too seriously when we all know the intended meaning. Is it really that big of a deal?
Don't you think that writing stuff that do not mean what they seem to mean, or actually mean different things for different people, or mean the opposite of what it actually says, is somewhat of a deal, especially for a deal that is supposed to solve 30 years of peaceful relationship :) ? You happen to be a smart guy capable of picking up the "intended" meaning of things even when it says otherwise, but you must consider the other folks not so blessed by nature ;).
P.S. I am not defending breaches on any side, I am just trying to make it work. Get it ?
Don't you think that writing stuff that do not mean what they seem to mean, or actually mean different things for different people, or mean the opposite of what it actually says, is somewhat of a deal, especially for a deal that is supposed to solve 30 years of peaceful relationship :) ? You happen to be a smart guy capable of picking up the "intended" meaning of things even when it says otherwise, but you must consider the other folks not so blessed by nature ;).
P.S. I am not defending breaches on any side, I am just trying to make it work. Get it ?
Fair enough.
I just wanted to make sure, with a whole thread dedicated to the "first consequences of the agreement" on the French board, that you realized it is both sides who are breaching the agreement.
For what it's worth, I predict that Halldor will run a fine weekend event, and people will have good times. I hope many of our Gatineau friends will feel free to join us. Unless I decide to stay in Turkey for the rest of my visa, I will play, offering my rating points! ;)
For what it's worth, I predict that Halldor will run a fine weekend event, and people will have good times. I hope many of our Gatineau friends will feel free to join us. Unless I decide to stay in Turkey for the rest of my visa, I will play, offering my rating points! ;)
Damn. I just checked your rating, and unless something funky happens this weekend (like going 6-0 in the U1900 bracket), I'm not going to have a high enough rating to play against you. Would have been interesting to have that possibility. Playing the person who almost always is TD'ing the few tournaments I've been in.
I just wanted to make sure, with a whole thread dedicated to the "first consequences of the agreement" on the French board, that you realized it is both sides who are breaching the agreement.
:)
Are you kidding ? Both sides are breaching the agreement ? Then it must be worse than I thought... ;)
In practice TDs on the ground are going CFC=FQE. The finer points on this are simply lost on us.
In practice the points raised in this debate have little practical significance for working TDs. If you are a CFC member you pop up in the CFC membership database that we download and use with Swiss Sys.
How can I check for FQE memberships when you register for my tournament? Do these folks carry an FQE card?
Can the CFC database file include the FQE guys as members?
Enter the player's last name in the box marked "Nom" (on the right - you might have to scroll down a bit).
e.g. - I type in "Palsson" and get the following:
Cotes des joueurs
Rang No Nom, prénom Lentes Semi-rapides Rapides Région Membre
Cote Parties Cote Parties Cote Parties
1 79378 PALSSON Halldor 1993.20 41 2004.20 0 0.0 0 2012/03/04
2 57183 PALSSON Thorold 1869.18 5 1869.18 0 0.0 0 2008/12/31
2 joueurs trouvés
This might sound plausible, but in practice onsite, with no internet access, it proves more difficult. I have sent some proposals to Michael and Richard, essentially hoping for some kind of automatic merger of current FQE members into the Swiss Sys DB file! :)
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