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  • #31
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    Morrow had a setback and he won't be throwing for a week or more. The inflammation in his arm has to subside.

    With Dickey, I think one of his starts was on a foggy day with high humidity. I wonder how that effects his knuckler. I'd imagine what the catcher is calling would make a difference to his performance. Mixing his fastball with the knuckler.
    Gary Ruben
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    • #32
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      Looks like Kevin was pretty spot on.

      Originally posted by Duncan Smith View Post
      Kevin Pacey declared the Jays officially out of the playoff hunt on May 10th. It occurs to me that while the Jays likely will miss the playoffs, the probability that Kevin has made a one of the worst calls in baseball history is very real ( not likely but real ).
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      • #33
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        Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
        Looks like Kevin was pretty spot on.
        It is too bad there are no points for stranded runners... if that existed, the Jays would finally be winners.
        I can't watch it anymore... same as the Leafs - I just don't care what they do or don't do.
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        • #34
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          Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
          Looks like Kevin was pretty spot on.
          I don't much follow baseball, but as far as I have noticed the Jays have been in the basement all season long. Aren't they always? For the last 20 years, anyway.

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          • #35
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            Maybe next season. They have a pretty good nucleus of players. I don't think it was ever realistic to expect a playoff team this season with all the changes to the roster. Next season should show some improvement and changes at some positions.
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            • #36
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              I stopped watching when I went on my 4 tournament road trip in the summer. Since that time.... the Jays have been playing just awful. It's my fault guys, I shouldn't have played chess :(
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              • #37
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                Originally posted by Bindi Cheng View Post
                I stopped watching when I went on my 4 tournament road trip in the summer. Since that time.... the Jays have been playing just awful. It's my fault guys, I shouldn't have played chess :(
                Don't be hard on yourself. You played chess well. The Jays played baseball poorly. :D
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                • #38
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                  Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                  Looks like Kevin was pretty spot on.
                  Uh, no. His logic would have written off Toronto, Los Angeles Angels, and the Los Angeles Dodgers. In fact, of the three, early months Toronto often had the best record, and had the smallest deficit to overcome. The Dodgers are now run away winners of their division. That is the whole point, that writing off a team that early in a season is complete nonesense. So is writing off a team because of some supposed injury curse or the idea that a long multi-year losing streak defines your chances ( See Pirates this year, they're in ).
                  Last edited by Duncan Smith; Sunday, 8th September, 2013, 12:58 AM.

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                  • #39
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                    Originally posted by John Coleman View Post
                    I don't much follow baseball, but as far as I have noticed the Jays have been in the basement all season long. Aren't they always? For the last 20 years, anyway.
                    It might seem so, but from 1995-2011 they mostly finished around the middle.
                    Last edited by Duncan Smith; Sunday, 8th September, 2013, 12:57 AM.

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                    • #40
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                      I don't think what other teams are able to do is the point. The point is the Jays couldn't do it.
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                      • #41
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                        Another point. the Jays still have problems at catcher. They finally moved Thole in as Dickey's regular catcher, which is good. I'd like to see them get a good veteran catcher to catch the rest of the staff. Strictly beside what I might think of how Arencibia calls a game, on the road he's hitting around a buck fifty for the season. .150 isn't much.

                        A management shakeup might not be a bad thing.
                        Gary Ruben
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                        • #42
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                          Regarding the Blue Jays injury 'curse', I should note that concern over possible increased injuries due to astroturf in sports (Football, Baseball) is not new, as a websearch can reveal. One Blue Jay fan website I ran into some time ago (BlueJayHunter [sp?]) was calling for the Astroturf at SkyDome to be replaced.

                          If the Jays happen to miraculously win 11 games in a row, again, at this point, I expect it's too late for them to even finish out of the East Division basement, which they were in even after they won 11 games earlier this season, if memory serves. I have to repeat my much earlier points on chesstalk that the Jays are in a tough division - with all the other East teams in the playoff spot hunt at this point, still, including the Yankees (and Boston, of course).

                          The chemistry of the Jays team I expect will really jell next season, with all this year's new Jays firmly settled in, unless panic sets in and too many offseason changes are made.


                          On the NHL front, here's how I see the eastern Canadian teams doing in 2013-14, barring any possible implications from some global catastrophe (or miracle[s]):

                          The Leafs will not even make the playoffs, now that the season will go the full schedule. Their last minute collapse against the Bruins in the spring convinced me they still have not lost their amazingly consistent (and heartbreaking) talent for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. I'm still glad I angrily dumped them as my team after 40+ years as a fan.

                          The Senators, my second choice as a favourite team to root for, are doomed to go nowhere without Alfredsson, though they may just make the playoffs.

                          My favourite team to root for nowadays, the Canadiens (aka the Smurfs) will hopefully have a better physical prescence, assuming they pick up some bigger players. They will make the playoffs regardless.


                          I'll also throw in that New Jersey is bound for Hades again, as far as any post season appearance goes.
                          Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
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                          • #43
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                            Pretty much all the teams deal with injury problems. Like they say in the movies, the team has to improvise, adapt and overcome. The Jays won the world series under the dome so the turf shouldn't matter.

                            A winning streak isn't out of the question. It's easier to win when there's nothing on the line.

                            I haven't even started looking at hockey and the Leafs yet. I haven't bothered with Ottawa much since they traded Fisher, for obvious reasons. I like it when the Leafs cream Montreal. Basketball starts about a month later. My wife likes curling but I consider it a waste of time. :D
                            Gary Ruben
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                            • #44
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                              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                              Pretty much all the teams deal with injury problems. Like they say in the movies, the team has to improvise, adapt and overcome. The Jays won the world series under the dome so the turf shouldn't matter.

                              A winning streak isn't out of the question. It's easier to win when there's nothing on the line.

                              I haven't even started looking at hockey and the Leafs yet. I haven't bothered with Ottawa much since they traded Fisher, for obvious reasons. I like it when the Leafs cream Montreal. Basketball starts about a month later. My wife likes curling but I consider it a waste of time. :D
                              Hi Gary

                              When the Jays last appeared in the post season (and also happened to win the world series) - 20 years ago (!) - they had so much great talent that an injury curse (if it applied back then) didn't matter so much. I also continue to wonder if any of the concrete under the astroturf at SkyDome has been tested since my old asphalt and soils testing lab workplace in Bramalea did that back in 1988 (not that I was involved). Not only that, maybe astroturf wearing out is a possible factor.

                              The Jays are probably giving a lot more of their younger farm team prospects a chance to play now, though I don't know since I've long stopped watching Jays games this season. Hence a big winning streak may be significantly less likely.

                              As far as hockey goes, I started rooting for Montreal after a short period of shopping between their team and Ottawa's. It didn't hurt that a gal I like comes from (and roots for) Montreal. :) I root for their CFC team for the same (i.e. the latter) reason. :)

                              I don't like basketball much, since for one thing any young person thinking of making a career out of it can pretty much kiss that idea goodbye unless they think they're going to become exceptionally tall. However, there is a Canadian team in the NBA, so I at least look at the standings now and then to check out the Raptor's playoff chances.

                              I usually don't watch NFL games, since there's no Canadian teams involved and there are different rules than CFL football. I recognize that the US has far better players, etc. when it comes to football. Not that I think think American talent is exceptional :D, just that there is a greater pool of talent and more money available down there.

                              I used to watch curling for a few minutes in the RA building in Ottawa, before going to my chess club that's also in there. All I learned was that watching bad curling is like watching bad chess - it makes one cringe at first, but at least there is a certain grotesque entertainment value. On the other I hand, I still love watching Russ Howard make long shots that are risky when I watch good curling on TV (as I do less and less now, like tennis). Like Tal on ice. Such talent and personality is rare and precious in any sport.
                              Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
                              Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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                              • #45
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                                Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post

                                I don't like basketball much, since for one thing any young person thinking of making a career out of it can pretty much kiss that idea goodbye unless they think they're going to become exceptionally tall.
                                It depends on the position. Looking at the point guard position, Steve Nash and Tony Parker are both around 6'3". I was that when I was younger. Muggsy Bogues is listed as 5'3" and played in the NBA from around 1988 to 2000 or 2001, I think. Finished his career with the Raptors. For point guard I think it depends on a players skills.
                                Gary Ruben
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