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My old acquaintance from my MIT days Paul Bonham, who used to post here regularly, may have even posted here about the idea of floating barges released onto the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, on which dense forests would be growing. Possibly even people would be living on them, managing the forests, putting out fires started by lightning strikes etc. I say this because he mentioned this idea to me back then.
They could even be cleaning up ocean pollution, i.e. plastics etc.
We need a billionaire philanthropist to start this project. But what Sid appears to be saying is that this would be BAD, because we are actually SHORT of carbon dioxide and need MORE of it in the atmosphere.
This is why I continue to say we need a real scientific debate on this. It solves nothing to have both sides on the issue launching broadside attacks ... there should be an organized debate with extreme fact-checking by impartial third parties.
One thing you and Brad are good at is twisting people's words. Cleaning up the oceans and preserving the forests does not equal a position of stating a scientific fact that extreme CO2 depletion is dangerous or being pro-pollution.
As far as debates go the WEF and its client states denied all rational debate on the subject of the dangers of the c19 injections so why would you expect their
approach to be different on their new favorite scam climate fear porn?
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Tuesday, 2nd May, 2023, 11:21 AM.
Sid, the last time you accused me of twisting your words you had not written any. You simply posted a meme that I deemed to be misleading propaganda. This time I made a sincere and honest attempt to communicate with you about the question of deforestation and you decided to respond as you often do, by being quite rude. You seem like a very hostile person who has extreme difficulty with anyone who has a different viewpoint, or opinion than yourself, even if they are trying their best to be polite.
Sid, the last time you accused me of twisting your words you had not written any. You simply posted a meme that I deemed to be misleading propaganda. This time I made a sincere and honest attempt to communicate with you about the question of deforestation and you decided to respond as you often do, by being quite rude. You seem like a very hostile person who has extreme difficulty with anyone who has a different viewpoint, or opinion than yourself, even if they are trying their best to be polite.
You simply posted a meme that I deemed to be misleading propaganda
No Brad, you said much more than that, You went through each statement on the "meme" and proceeded to justify the fascist dictates listed there that include among other things the genocide that our government has been perpetrating on Canadians for the last three years.
Again you pervert the truth.
I did not reply to your comments on deforestation.
The most recent reply I put up was in response to Paragat and did refer to the fact that both of you twist other people's words.
As far as being hostile against those that disagree with me, that is incorrect. I am hostile towards people that without justification refer to me as a racist, take swipes at the Jewish religion by redefining the meaning of "the chosen people" in its religious context (likely out of extreme ignorance), and attempting to justify a fascist regime that is murdering its citizens.
Your attacks against other members, including Dr. Ken Regan, were way over the line. If you want to have respectful disagreements with me, you had better be prepared to back up what you say with facts.
One thing you and Brad are good at is twisting people's words. Cleaning up the oceans and preserving the forests does not equal a position of stating a scientific fact that extreme CO2 depletion is dangerous or being pro-pollution.
.....
WHO is twisting words? Did I post that you are pro-pollution! NO!
WHO suddenly introduces the word "extreme" in front of CO2 depletion? YOU!!!! JUST NOW!!!!
Yet in the past in this thread, you have stated that ANY CO2 depletion from current levels is not good for humanity. Now suddenly you are introducing the word "extreme"? A weasel word that is left undefined .....
WHO is twisting words? Did I post that you are pro-pollution! NO!
WHO suddenly introduces the word "extreme" in front of CO2 depletion? YOU!!!! JUST NOW!!!!
Yet in the past in this thread, you have stated that ANY CO2 depletion from current levels is not good for humanity. Now suddenly you are introducing the word "extreme"? A weasel word that is left undefined .....
WHO IS TWISTING WORDS? SID BELZBERG!
Originally posted by Pargat Perrer
WHO is twisting words? Did I post that you are pro-pollution! NO!
WHO suddenly introduces the word "extreme" in front of CO2 depletion?
Yes, I did say that. Reducing pollution ie transitioning to nuclear energy, will, in fact, reduce CO2 emissions, but hopefully, not
as much as the extreme measures that the MSM appears to push.
It had nothing whatsoever with trying to deny that I think reducing the CO2 overall is a bad idea. However, given the advent of electric cars
to not overload the power grid, changes like Nuclear power will be necessary that inevitably will reduce CO2 emissions.
My first name is SId, kindly stop referring to me as "Sid Belzberg,"
Last week's number of views sky-rocketed with more responses/activity. CT'ers are motivated to come by seeing that there are new responses which they have not yet seen.
Climate Change Thread “Responses”
There are lots of climate change articles out there, both on negative anthropogenic climate change, and negative natural climate change.
This thread encourages CT'ers on all sides to re-post here, as responses, the climate change posts of interest they see elsewhere. Overall, ChessTalker's have been quite active here in posting “responses” and it seems that chessplayers across Canada are wanting information on climate change, a challenge unlike any our species has ever faced before.
Note:
1. The goal of this thread is not to woodshed an opposing view into submission. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide.
2. I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least every 2nd day, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is great that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.
The Pressing Climate Change Issue
The core issue:
Building a sense of URGENCY on this issue in society. We must realize that we cannot kick it down the road any longer!
The public is aware of the climate change issue.......
BUT.....
climate activists must find strategies to “AWAKEN” the public to the “urgency”.
It is expected, though somewhat disheartening, to see other negative issues of the day climb immediately to the top of the public's agenda, with climate change being sometimes substantially downgraded in importance. We will all pay for this.........
The Time Line
Nature's Tipping point is estimated to be, on current trajectory, only 9 years away (Around Jan. 1, 2031). Capping the temperature rise at only 1.5 degrees Celsius (the original international target) is now impossible (UN Climate Change Panel's most recent report in March, 2023). Their position is that the problem at this time is mostly due to human activity, and that radical change in our method of living is the only way to avoid this rising, very problematic, temperature. UNCCP noted that current government deadlines were totally insufficient to solve the problem. CO 2 must be capped by 2025 since it is the main contributor to the problem! Methane is another greenhouse gas of concern, with some maintaining it contributes more to the problem than CO2. The extent of involvement in the greenhouse effect of water vapour is somewhat controversial.
Also, it has now become necessary to add in the process of CO 2 “removal”, along with “eliminating” the spewing of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere by human activity.
Our window of opportunity is fast closing.
The Large Picture Solutions
Can we come up with at least one viable suggestion of some impressive, radical thing that might wake up the public, that we could then put out there to other concerned climate activists?
Negative “Natural” Climate Change
This thread has had a number of CT'ers arguing for Natural Climate Change, and arguing that the human economic activity contribution to negative climate change is negligible. We are just in one of Nature's long warming cycles.
We would encourage everyone to consider the materials being presented, and then see whether they in any way change your perspective, if you are an adherent of negative Anthropogenic climate change. Whether you change anything, or not, your assessment of the evidence would be most welcome in this thread.
CT'ers' Local Actions on Climate Change
You can do something! When you like one of this thread's links on an aspect of climate change, spread the news by posting it to your social media accounts and other Websites/Discussion Boards you participate in!
Last week's number of views sky-rocketed with more responses/activity. CT'ers are motivated to come by seeing that there are new responses which they have not yet seen.
Climate Change Thread “Responses”
There are lots of climate change articles out there, both on negative anthropogenic climate change, and negative natural climate change.
This thread encourages CT'ers on all sides to re-post here, as responses, the climate change posts of interest they see elsewhere. Overall, ChessTalker's have been quite active here in posting “responses” and it seems that chessplayers across Canada are wanting information on climate change, a challenge unlike any our species has ever faced before.
Note:
1. The goal of this thread is not to woodshed an opposing view into submission. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide.
2. I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least every 2nd day, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is great that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.
The Pressing Climate Change Issue
The core issue:
Building a sense of URGENCY on this issue in society. We must realize that we cannot kick it down the road any longer!
The public is aware of the climate change issue.......
BUT.....
climate activists must find strategies to “AWAKEN” the public to the “urgency”.
It is expected, though somewhat disheartening, to see other negative issues of the day climb immediately to the top of the public's agenda, with climate change being sometimes substantially downgraded in importance. We will all pay for this.........
The Time Line
Nature's Tipping point is estimated to be, on current trajectory, only 9 years away (Around Jan. 1, 2031). Capping the temperature rise at only 1.5 degrees Celsius (the original international target) is now impossible (UN Climate Change Panel's most recent report in March, 2023). Their position is that the problem at this time is mostly due to human activity, and that radical change in our method of living is the only way to avoid this rising, very problematic, temperature. UNCCP noted that current government deadlines were totally insufficient to solve the problem. CO 2 must be capped by 2025 since it is the main contributor to the problem! Methane is another greenhouse gas of concern, with some maintaining it contributes more to the problem than CO2. The extent of involvement in the greenhouse effect of water vapour is somewhat controversial.
Also, it has now become necessary to add in the process of CO 2 “removal”, along with “eliminating” the spewing of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere by human activity.
Our window of opportunity is fast closing.
The Large Picture Solutions
Can we come up with at least one viable suggestion of some impressive, radical thing that might wake up the public, that we could then put out there to other concerned climate activists?
Negative “Natural” Climate Change
This thread has had a number of CT'ers arguing for Natural Climate Change, and arguing that the human economic activity contribution to negative climate change is negligible. We are just in one of Nature's long warming cycles.
We would encourage everyone to consider the materials being presented, and then see whether they in any way change your perspective, if you are an adherent of negative Anthropogenic climate change. Whether you change anything, or not, your assessment of the evidence would be most welcome in this thread.
CT'ers' Local Actions on Climate Change
You can do something! When you like one of this thread's links on an aspect of climate change, spread the news by posting it to your social media accounts and other Websites/Discussion Boards you participate in!
He says at the beginning "I think". Where are your facts, Sid, the facts you continuously rant about? He says, "When people tell you what they're going to do, don't ignore them." Where are the facts, Sid, where is the evidence of these people telling us this? Show me Gates and the UN telling us we will not be travelling, we will not have a private car, we will not be using international shipping, there won't be any flights except military or for the very rich, we won't own anything, and we will be happy, and we probably won't live in our own house? Then he says again, "I think...". Where are your beloved facts, Sid? This is just one man spewing off at the mouth with nothing at all to back himself up.
Sid, we are all entitled to our opinions, but without facts to back them up they are useless.
He says at the beginning "I think". Where are your facts, Sid, the facts you continuously rant about? He says, "When people tell you what they're going to do, don't ignore them." Where are the facts, Sid, where is the evidence of these people telling us this? Show me Gates and the UN telling us we will not be travelling, we will not have a private car, we will not be using international shipping, there won't be any flights except military or for the very rich, we won't own anything, and we will be happy, and we probably won't live in our own house? Then he says again, "I think...". Where are your beloved facts, Sid? This is just one man spewing off at the mouth with nothing at all to back himself up.
Sid, we are all entitled to our opinions, but without facts to back them up they are useless.
Brad I already posted information about 15-minute cities aka ghettos going up in Oxford and Cambridge, Since you don't know how to read that is your problem not mine.
Views
.....................................................2023 Average.... 2022 Average
Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day..........Views/Day Views/Day........Views/Day.............(18 wks.)___________
Last week's number of views dropped with only 1 response per day. CT'ers are motivated to come by seeing that there are new responses which they have not yet seen.
Climate Change Thread “Responses”
There are lots of climate change articles out there, both on negative anthropogenic climate change, and negative natural climate change.
This thread encourages CT'ers on all sides to re-post here, as responses, the climate change posts of interest they see elsewhere. Overall, ChessTalker's have been quite active here in posting “responses” and it seems that chessplayers across Canada are wanting information on climate change, a challenge unlike any our species has ever faced before.
Note:
1. The goal of this thread is not to woodshed an opposing view into submission. Every position is entitled to post as it sees fit, regardless of the kind of, and amount of, postings by other positions. What is wanted is serious consideration of all posts........then you decide.
2. I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least every 2nd day, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is great that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.
The Pressing Climate Change Issue
The core issue:
Building a sense of URGENCY on this issue in society. We must realize that we cannot kick it down the road any longer!
The public is aware of the climate change issue.......
BUT.....
climate activists must find strategies to “AWAKEN” the public to the “urgency”.
It is expected, though somewhat disheartening, to see other negative issues of the day climb immediately to the top of the public's agenda, with climate change being sometimes substantially downgraded in importance. We will all pay for this.........
The Time Line
Nature's Tipping point is estimated to be, on current trajectory, only 9 years away (Around Jan. 1, 2031). Capping the temperature rise at only 1.5 degrees Celsius (the original international target) is now impossible (UN Climate Change Panel's most recent report in March, 2023). Their position is that the problem at this time is mostly due to human activity, and that radical change in our method of living is the only way to avoid this rising, very problematic, temperature. UNCCP noted that current government deadlines were totally insufficient to solve the problem. CO 2 must be capped by 2025 since it is the main contributor to the problem! Methane is another greenhouse gas of concern, with some maintaining it contributes more to the problem than CO2. The extent of involvement in the greenhouse effect of water vapour is somewhat controversial.
Also, it has now become necessary to add in the process of CO 2 “removal”, along with “eliminating” the spewing of greenhouse gases into our atmosphere by human activity.
Our window of opportunity is fast closing.
The Large Picture Solutions
Can we come up with at least one viable suggestion of some impressive, radical thing that might wake up the public, that we could then put out there to other concerned climate activists?
Negative “Natural” Climate Change
This thread has had a number of CT'ers arguing for Natural Climate Change, and arguing that the human economic activity contribution to negative climate change is negligible. We are just in one of Nature's long warming cycles.
We would encourage everyone to consider the materials being presented, and then see whether they in any way change your perspective, if you are an adherent of negative Anthropogenic climate change. Whether you change anything, or not, your assessment of the evidence would be most welcome in this thread.
CT'ers' Local Actions on Climate Change
You can do something! When you like one of this thread's links on an aspect of climate change, spread the news by posting it to your social media accounts and other Websites/Discussion Boards you participate in!
Building a sense of URGENCY on this issue in society. We must realize that we cannot kick it down the road any longer!
The public is aware of the climate change issue.......
BUT.....
climate activists must find strategies to “AWAKEN” the public to the “urgency”.
<snip>
Perhaps before we convince "society" of it's urgency, we try to find agreement on the cause. First we need to convince a rather large segment of society that it's something more than a natural cycle, and whether or not scientists, and agencies like N.A.S.A. know what they are talking about. Or maybe we need to convince NASA that it's part of a natural cycle.
in the meantime, those that believe the climate scientists can follow the recommendations about climate footprint.
Last edited by Fred Henderson; Tuesday, 9th May, 2023, 05:52 PM.
"The combination of an unprecedented lack of rainfall and record-high temperatures gripping southwestern Europe for the second straight year had been projected by scientists – for 2043. The heat they warned about is already here."
"The combination of an unprecedented lack of rainfall and record-high temperatures gripping southwestern Europe for the second straight year had been projected by scientists – for 2043. The heat they warned about is already here."
Hi Bob,
Please show me how this article refutes the data I already posted that CO2 emissions have nothing to do with this. Keep in mind MSM are WEF partners as
is Bloomberg in a big way. https://www.weforum.org/organizations/bloomberg-lp
Whether it is man-made or natural, it is a catastrophe for the human species! The "source" may be controversial. The evidence is substantial, if not conclusive, that negative climate change IS happening, and man is suffering consequences.
Scientific Report (This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommerical-No-Derivatives 4.0 International License.) [Full of data; is somewhat lengthy]
"While Europe and North Africa have experienced heatwaves increasingly frequently over the last years, the recent heat in the Western Mediterranean has been so extreme that it is also a rare event in today’s warmer climate. Our estimate of observed temperatures averaged over 3 days were estimated to have a return period of approximately 400 years (at least 60 years) in the current climate, meaning they have approximately a 0.25% chance of happening in any given year."
P.S. Sid - I'm sorry but I currently have almost no internet time. I have been hoping some other CT'ers might have responded.
But I am intending to deal with two of your Prior comments (I am not deliberately ignoring them; as part of the "conversation format" we are now using, it is critical that we all try to respond to comments on controversial positions, and agreements on commonly accepted statements).
Your comments (Post # 1296):
A. On the 4 commonly accepted climate change statements we have built all together;
B. The issue of the extent of CO2 emissions, when they spiked, the nature of the concentration, and the effect, if any, of their participation in the non-porous canopy (Greenhouse gases) keeping heat in the air/atmosphere.
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Thursday, 11th May, 2023, 09:30 AM.
Whether it is man-made or natural, it is a catastrophe for the human species! The "source" may be controversial. The evidence is substantial, if not conclusive, that negative climate change IS happening, and man is suffering consequences.
Scientific Report (This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommerical-No-Derivatives 4.0 International License.) [Full of data; is somewhat lengthy]
"While Europe and North Africa have experienced heatwaves increasingly frequently over the last years, the recent heat in the Western Mediterranean has been so extreme that it is also a rare event in today’s warmer climate. Our estimate of observed temperatures averaged over 3 days were estimated to have a return period of approximately 400 years (at least 60 years) in the current climate, meaning they have approximately a 0.25% chance of happening in any given year."
P.S. Sid - I'm sorry but I currently have almost no internet time. I have been hoping some other CT'ers might have responded.
But I am intending to deal with two of your Prior comments (I am not deliberately ignoring them; as part of the "conversation format" we are now using, it is critical that we all try to respond to comments on controversial positions, and agreements on commonly accepted statements).
Your comments (Post # 1296):
A. On the 4 commonly accepted climate change statements we have built all together;
B. The issue of the extent of CO2 emissions, when they spiked, the nature of the concentration, and the effect, if any, of their participation in the non-porous canopy (Greenhouse gases) keeping heat in the air/atmosphere.
Originally posted by Bob Armstrong
Whether it is man-made or natural, it is a catastrophe for the human species! The "source" may be controversial. The evidence is substantial, if not conclusive, that negative climate change IS happening, and man is suffering consequences.
Bob as I have said repeatedly, it matters very much whether it is natural or man-made. The data presented to you shows overwhelmingly that negative climate change has always been with us and CO2 is not to blame! Instead of addressing these facts, you continue to post climate fear porn propaganda driven by the WEF-controlled MSM. You are the poster child of the leftists that the WEF and it's client states play people like you like a fiddle!
First, COVID fear porn, and now Climate fear porn. You are their perfect "customer". Nothing they and their WEF client State governments want to do more than get people like you and I off the Social Security payrolls! Yes they want you dead and gone! The inflation you are seeing is a direct result of decades of theft at the government-sponsored pork barrels resulting in bailing out the banking institutions that are partners of this plunder and printing more and more money for the debts these criminals ran up.
Don't believe it; compare your grocery bill to only a year ago. The Zero CO2 efforts will cost even more lives by the same group ie food supply disruptions dangerously low CO2 levels etc. You should check out post-1296 I did https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...472#post226472
You have the right idea of decentralizing communities, but I am strongly with Dilip's libertarian viewpoint. Check out this scathing letter
from Florida's surgeon general to the pharma-corrupted government entities like the CDC and the FDA and consider the Millions(!) of lives lost due to the corruption of these agencies.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Thursday, 11th May, 2023, 04:05 PM.
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