Democratic Marxism

[Bob Armstrong]

A DMGI 2020 Perspective on

The Canadian Manifesto for an Independent Socialist Canada (The “Waffle” Manifesto [WM] – 1969)



Democratic Marxism Discussion Paper # 7

[Part I of 2 parts]

Stylistic Limitations

Manifestos are written for theoretical/ideological purists/theorists.........not for the ordinary working person. If this is kept in mind, then their purpose is clear. But what is required is documentation that is simple, clear, free of jargon, short and easily readable, if the goal is to at some point have won the understanding of over 50% of the voters to prefer some partisan implementation of “socialism”. The working person must be brought to see, and agree, that capitalism serves, unhealthily, mainly the interests of the financial elite. They must also accept that Democratic Marxism (Our particular partisan brand of socialism) will mainly serve the interests of the common good, and reign in the historical power of Capital. This is a long battle, and must be aggressively pursued before one can even consider any type of foot-fold in the legislature.

So, stylistically, the historical rhetoric of the left of the past must be jettisoned to whatever extent possible. “Comrade” to the ear of the Canadian working person only conjures up the old USSR, and the oppression of the working person by old-style Communism. Also, the historical jargon does not speak to the ordinary working person of today, and when they hear it, it is clearly and quickly categorized as “out of date”. Another example: “revolution” - loved by we theorists; creates stress and anxiety in the working person, because in revolutions, it is the workers who get killed. “Evolution” is a much more comfortable process to the working person.....it means that their lives will not be totally upended in the service of reaching quickly some rather uncertain future situation. Evolution makes for a gradual and manageable change, which may take longer, but will eventually get to the end point, without all the collateral damage (Lenin's: To make an omelette, you have to break a few eggs). This kind of change the worker will accept as both possible, and not dangerous to their daily life.

So anyone who believes that Manifestos will be read by the ordinary working person is dreaming in technicolour. I'd love to have a survey done of middle & lower middle class, and working class, workers as to how many have read Karl Marx's/Frederick Engels “Communist Manifesto”! I'll hazard a guess that the percentage will be so low it will astound all us theorists. If changing the world-view of the worker is the method of implementing Democratic Socialism, or Democratic Marxism, no manifesto of the traditional style will do so. In fact, it is likely that even the word “manifesto” makes the Canadian working person nervous (Again, the association with the USSR and oppression of its citizens, and breaches of their human rights).

Impression Limitations

The WM's main contention is that the greatest danger to Canadian sovereignty is Canada's being, willingly, a branch plant economy of the American Empire. True enough.

But the implementation of Democratic Socialism, should it ever happen in Canada, simply cannot disengage the now three economies overnight (USA/Canada/Mexico Agreement). Socialism is going to have to be implemented on many levels within Canada, despite the economic integration, and to promise otherwise is to deceive the electorate.

There will be severe internal dislocations in some industries, which will cause major push-back. Then there is the international withdrawal from the existing North American economy, and new trade agreements with USA and Mexico (And other trade agreements in the Americas will likely next require renegotiation, given the different international relations perspective of Democratic Marxism, and then other trade agreements throughout the world).

The difficulty, in my view, of the Manifesto presentation of this issue, is that it so dominates the document, it overwhelms andy strategic plan of socialism implementation. It almost gives the impression that socialism will not be achieved until this issue has been resolved. The timeline actually is that Socialism (Or Democratic Marxism) will be achieved first, and then the issue of economic sovereignty in a trading world.

The working person is generally aware that much employment in Canada is tied into trade, mostly with USA, and somewhat with Mexico. So this issue of economic sovereignty is scary to the working person. It must not overwhelm a strategy of slow evolutionary growth of a Marxist economic and self-governance structure, first in the provinces, and then secondly at the federal level.

Lastly, the Manifesto seems almost silent on strategy to change over Canada from capitalist to socialist.

This is unhelpful to the working person. The document appears as pie-in-the-sky ideology. Only educational documents will be read by, and make an impression on, the working person, where they set out steps of a plan to move forward. And it is better that a document-to-be-read does not attempt to explain the whole strategic plan from start to finish in one sitting. This will engender concern that the task is so long and arduous, that it is unachievable.

Language Limitations

The working person has an acute reaction to theoretical key words and phrases. When seen, the tendency is to dismiss the whole content as theoretical and quit reading. For example, the terms “American Empire”, “revolution”, “radical change” are problems, in my view. Historical and traditional Socialist/Marxist jargon key words should be avoided. This is especially noteworthy in the publications of the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist). They still use the far-left jargon of the Cold War Era and the USSR – the working person simply turns off at this language, and abandons reading further........even I have trouble getting through it, and I'm committed.

Change must be “evolutionary”, and written about as such. Historical theoretical jargon is to be avoided at all cost (Despite the fact that they are handy for theorists since a single phrase realizes a whole complex interconnected set of thoughts).

(See Pt. II below)

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[Sid Belzberg]

The DM Valentine's Day Statement

A One-World Fascist Government

This is the goal of the "Clique" (One faction being the Capitalist Oligarchs of the planet), aided and abetted by the capitalist governments of the world, including Canada. This agenda is already, and has been, slowly and incrementally put into place. It is not yet achieved, but many elements are now locked in, and the timeline for achieving full control of the world is somewhat uncertain........but at the rate pieces of the agenda are being put into place, this goal may not be too far off in the future.

Democratic Marxism is sounding the alarm on this project, fatal to humanity's freedom. It will fight to the death to try to stop the Clique from achieving its goal.

This thread sets out the very many ways, and the policies, by which DM will try to prevent the slow implementation of the agenda. Only by going back and reviewing this thread from Post # 1 on, can the full expanse of Democratic Marxism's policies and strategy be seen.

Critical to this strategy is the formation of Democratic Marxist National Parties across the globe, forming to win governments, and use their power to stop this agenda.

The first party to form has been the Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario. Ontario is a Province of Canada. It, as a province, has part of the divided governing power in Canada, and controls significant aspects of the lives of Ontarians.

The party hopes to run at least one Candidate for Member of Provincial Parliament (MPP) in the upcoming Ontario election, expected in 2026

.The 44th Ontario general election is tentatively scheduled to be held on June 4, 2026. As of December 2016, Ontario elections are held on the first Thursday in June in the fourth calendar year following the previous general election,^[1] unless the Legislative Assembly of Ontario is dissolved earlier by the Lieutenant Governor of Ontario due advice from the Premier of Ontario, a motion of no confidence or the failure of the Assembly to grant supply. Such a dissolution is unlikely as the current government has a majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/44th_O...neral_election

See also the Fb Page: Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100064448603475 .

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)

[B]This is the goal of the "Clique" (One faction being the Capitalist Oligarchs of the planet), aided and abetted by the capitalist governments of the world

Bob, you are mislabeling them. When private industry corrupts the government, you have fascism. Marxism and Fascism are essentially the same...same store, different window! Every Marxist government in history, including Allende, consisted of corrupt government bureaucrats and politicians grifting from the populace to enrich themselves under the pretense of the "common good."
The elite oligarchs you refer to have the same depraved goals as the oligarchs of the past: depopulation. I have outlined my case that you apparently no longer have the ability to read or listen to.
The elite oligarchs are a product of corrupted governments, and the idea of "you will own nothing and be happy" is essentially no different than the goals of Marxists. In both cases, the elite at the top government officials and their operating partners own everything, and the populace owns nothing.
Dilip is exactly right. Government should be kept to an absolute minimum, and strong laws should be in place to prevent unfair and corrupted competition in the marketplace.

[Pargat Perrer]

IRS crackdown underway in USA.

This behavior is what we could expect to see more of under deregulated LIbertarianism:

"....a staggering $1.2 trillion in relief funds was dispersed by the Small Business Administration (SBA) over the past two years. However, shocking revelations suggest that a significant portion of this sum, approximately 70%, never reached the intended recipients – employees.

Instead, an alarming 66% to 77% of the funds were diverted into the hands of business owners and shareholders, raising serious questions about the integrity of the relief programs.
....
These individuals are facing severe penalties, with some potentially facing decades-long prison sentences for their alleged roles in schemes involving millions of dollars. From luxury cars to designer goods, the ill-gotten gains of these schemes have funded lavish lifestyles at the expense of taxpayers."

[Neil Frarey]

You can talk about individual prosperity all you want ... what Sid was referring to in his post #128 was societal prosperity.

I fart in your general direction.

Fartastic!!!

I'm fart confident that you will find the appropriate societal prosperity fartnessosity.

Good luck with that!

[Bob Armstrong]

The DM Valentine's Day Statement

A One-World Fascist Government

This is the goal of the "Clique" (One faction being the Capitalist Oligarchs of the planet), aided and abetted by the capitalist governments of the world, including Canada. This agenda is already, and has been, slowly and incrementally put into place. It is not yet achieved, but many elements are now locked in, and the timeline for achieving full control of the world is somewhat uncertain........but at the rate pieces of the agenda are being put into place, this goal may not be too far off in the future.

Democratic Marxism is sounding the alarm on this project, fatal to humanity's freedom. It will fight to the death to try to stop the Clique from achieving its goal.

This thread sets out the very many ways, and the policies, by which DM will try to prevent the slow implementation of the agenda. Only by going back and reviewing this thread from Post # 1 on, can the full expanse of Democratic Marxism's policies and strategy be seen.

Critical to this strategy is the formation of Democratic Marxist National Parties across the globe, forming to win governments, and use their power to stop this agenda.

The first party to form has been the Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario. Ontario is a Province of Canada. It, as a province, has part of the divided governing power in Canada, and controls significant aspects of the lives of Ontarians.

The party hopes to run at least one Candidate for Member of Provincial Parliament (MPP) in the upcoming Ontario election, expected in 2026

.The 44th Ontario general election is tentatively scheduled to be held on June 4, 2026. As of December 2016, Ontario elections are held on the first Thursday in June in the fourth calendar year following the previous general election,^[1] unless the Legislative Assembly of Ontario is dissolved earlier by the Lieutenant Governor of Ontario due advice from the Premier of Ontario, a motion of no confidence or the failure of the Assembly to grant supply. Such a dissolution is unlikely as the current government has a majority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/44th_O...neral_election

See also the Fb Page: Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario - https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100064448603475 .

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)

[Pargat Perrer]

The current globalist "Clique" seeking world domination (misguided benevolence)

I am having difficulty labelling it other than "capitalist".

The oligarchs are a faction of the "Clique"......the national governments of the world are dominantly "capitalist". Both have fostered and aided the slow, incremental implementation of the One-World Government. Any attempt to label the "Clique" as "left" seems absurd to me. What we will get will be a Fascist totalitarian government........the State owns everything, and decides what the worker gets.

"You will have nothing.....and you will be happy."

Labelling the Clique as "Communist", "Socialist", "Marxist" or "Left" is a deliberate obfuscation, to cover up the fundamentally "Capitalist" nature of what is being implemented.

Sid.........you have the answer to your question.

We have totally opposite views on the nature of the calamity being put onto we plebs......for the moment, I will say "attempted" to be put onto us.....it is not yet a done deal, but time is getting short to adopt an alternate form of government........decentralized Democratic Marxist governments nationally aiming at Earth as a "Collection of Villages"/"The Sustainable Earth Project"........small is beautiful!

Bourgeois private property, and all the negatives that come with it, must go.

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)

I see the notion of "ownership" coming up very often in these latest posts. Even snot-nose with his question about who owns prosperity.

The extreme right-wing movement (Libertarianism included) loves this idea of "ownership" almost as much as they love the concept of "freedom".

Yet they are diametrically opposite! The more ownership you have, the less freedom you have.Hippies realized this back in the 1960s.

This paradox has not been realized or solved by the extreme right-wing movements. And now they, in the personnage here of Sid and Dilip and Neil, want everyone to revolt against the idea of not having ownership. Yet not having ownership is the path to freedom!

Economic freedom is perversely tied so closely to ownership ... of many vehicles, many properties, many businesses, many THINGS. But these ownerships tie you down, so that you LOSE freedom.

[Pargat Perrer]

Psalm 1:3

He shall be like a tree Planted by the rivers of water, That brings forth its fruit in its season, Whose leaf also shall not wither; And whatever he does shall prosper.


Proverbs 28:25

He who is of a proud heart stirs up strife, but he who trusts in the Lord will be prospered.

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Any more comments???




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You can talk about individual prosperity all you want ... what Sid was referring to in his post #128 was societal prosperity.

I fart in your general direction.

[Sid Belzberg]

Sid.........you have the answer to your question.

The question was did you carefully read the material I posted and carefully listen to the video I posted?
Yes or no?
I will take changing the subject or not answering as a "no."

[Bob Armstrong]

The current globalist "Clique" seeking world domination (misguided benevolence)

I am having difficulty labelling it other than "capitalist".

The oligarchs are a faction of the "Clique"......the national governments of the world are dominantly "capitalist". Both have fostered and aided the slow, incremental implementation of the One-World Government. Any attempt to label the "Clique" as "left" seems absurd to me. What we will get will be a Fascist totalitarian government........the State owns everything, and decides what the worker gets.

"You will have nothing.....and you will be happy."

Labelling the Clique as "Communist", "Socialist", "Marxist" or "Left" is a deliberate obfuscation, to cover up the fundamentally "Capitalist" nature of what is being implemented.

Sid.........you have the answer to your question.

We have totally opposite views on the nature of the calamity being put onto we plebs......for the moment, I will say "attempted" to be put onto us.....it is not yet a done deal, but time is getting short to adopt an alternate form of government........decentralized Democratic Marxist governments nationally aiming at Earth as a "Collection of Villages"/"The Sustainable Earth Project"........small is beautiful!

Bourgeois private property, and all the negatives that come with it, must go.

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)

[Sid Belzberg]

A One-World Government

Sid, and his sidekicks, and Democratic Marxism, agree, in my view, on a couple of things:

1. There is a "Clique" that is powerful, and partly open, and partly covert that has a world control agenda.

2. The "One-World Government" being incrementally implemented in various different places and ways, is NOT a good idea for human society.

3. That some changes being proposed under the Clique's agenda in terms of ceding of national power to some multi-lateral organizations need to be opposed now, before being locked into place - the farmers' revolt brings the problem right into the public's livingroom (Though we disagree as to why the farmers have a legitimate concern, and what that concern is).

So there is some basis for some cooperation on some things.

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)

You still have not answered my question. If you think the
anti globalist movement will replace one Marxist for another
that claims to be different we are a bit too smart for that.
If you don’t like being tarred with the same brush as all
the other failed Marxist regimes take the word Marxist out of your name.
Democratic Decentralized party has a nice ring to it and could gain traction. This Marxist shit and abolishment of private property has no appeal to anyone except you and the WEF that plays people you like a fiddle and are very happy as the government to own everything!
it is passé!
So until I get a yes to my question from you I consider you a waste of time.

[Bob Armstrong]

A One-World Government

Sid, and his sidekicks, and Democratic Marxism, agree, in my view, on a couple of things:

1. There is a "Clique" that is powerful, and partly open, and partly covert that has a world control agenda.

2. The "One-World Government" being incrementally implemented in various different places and ways, is NOT a good idea for human society.

3. That some changes being proposed under the Clique's agenda in terms of ceding of national power to some multi-lateral organizations need to be opposed now, before being locked into place - the farmers' revolt brings the problem right into the public's livingroom (Though we disagree as to why the farmers have a legitimate concern, and what that concern is).

So there is some basis for some cooperation on some things.

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)

[Sid Belzberg]

Depopulation/Eugenics/Anti-Semitism

Personally, I am unsatisfied by the evidence being marshalled by one side, that there is a malevolent clique, of great power and influence, seeking the destruction of the human race.

It is my view that there is indeed a "Clique", some of whom are public, some covert (With some malevolent beings covertly involved), of great power and influence, who believe that the future of man is best achieved under a one-world authoritarian government.

But I believe the majority of this Clique see themselves as "Benevolent" (Most are Not malevolently motivated) - they seek to provide for the residents of Earth, a life of peace, prosperity and happiness (And all material needs being met).

I can only repeat the old saw: "Beware those on a mission who are of the best of intentions".

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

Again, have you carefully read what I posted and, more importantly, listened to the video carefully? If there is something specifically that you see as inaccurate, I
would like to hear about it. The body of evidence does not show "benevolence" in any way, shape, or form. You either listen and examine the evidence or you simply like the sound of your voice. If the last part is correct ( like the sound of your voice), I do not need to waste more time talking with you.

[Bob Armstrong]

Depopulation/Eugenics/Anti-Semitism

Personally, I am unsatisfied by the evidence being marshalled by one side, that there is a malevolent clique, of great power and influence, seeking the destruction of the human race.

It is my view that there is indeed a "Clique", some of whom are public, some covert (With some malevolent beings covertly involved), of great power and influence, who believe that the future of man is best achieved under a one-world authoritarian government.

But I believe the majority of this Clique see themselves as "Benevolent" (Most are Not malevolently motivated) - they seek to provide for the residents of Earth, a life of peace, prosperity and happiness (And all material needs being met).

I can only repeat the old saw: "Beware those on a mission who are of the best of intentions".

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

[Sid Belzberg]

Incremental Progress towards the One-world Government?

The WHO Agreement on Pandemics



"[The] May [2024] deadline approaches for finalizing negotiations between the World Health Organization (WHO) and its 194 member nations over how much authority they will CEDE [Emphasis added] to the WHO once it declares a global health emergency.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#in...WRgJDcBDCXTwxH

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

Bob did you ever carefully read this post that you promised you would?

https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...315#post231315

Did you ever carefully listen to this incredibly important video that you promised you would???

https://rumble.com/v2hpryu-naomi-wolf-whats-in-the-pfizer-documents.html

Please reread and relisten to both very carefully if you already have. The above deadline you cite is indeed very important.

[Bob Armstrong]

Incremental Progress towards the One-world Government?

The WHO Agreement on Pandemics



"[The] May [2024] deadline approaches for finalizing negotiations between the World Health Organization (WHO) and its 194 member nations over how much authority they will CEDE [Emphasis added] to the WHO once it declares a global health emergency.

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#in...WRgJDcBDCXTwxH

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)