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  • Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post
    ....the idea that society needs politicians to 'govern' it, is a big lie which has been very disruptive to society itself. .....
    No, that is wrong. The problem is that politicians have been elevated to such high status and the game of politics has become all about the ego and the bankbook.

    Society does need to be governed. This is beyond dispute. The alternative is anarchy which leads to nothing good.

    The native Americans had chiefs, but some of them left the most important far-reaching decisions up to ... grandmothers. The wisdom behind that is amazing. Only grandmothers can truly decide to do what is right for the future generations.

    What we need are politicians who are like grandmothers: who put the future of they people they govern ahead of any personal considerations. We need to end the era of professional politicians.

    In a related article I just saw tonight ...

    BILL GATES WANTS HIMSELF AND -- ALL BILLIONAIRES -- TO BE TAXED ON THEIR WEALTH AT 62%, ALL OF IT TO GO TO GOVERNMENT.

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    “I’ve been disproportionately rewarded for the work I’ve done — while many others who work just as hard struggle to get by,” he wrote. “That’s why I’m for a tax system in which, if you have more money, you pay a higher percentage in taxes. And I think the rich should pay more than they currently do.”

    Meanwhile, the nation’s top 1% continue to make money at an almost incomprehensible rate. As of the second quarter of 2024, their wealth amounted to $46.71 trillion, according to Federal Reserve data. That’s up more than 50% from 2020’s $30.35 trillion — and more than the combined GDP of the U.S. and China in 2023, which totaled $45.15 trillion, per the World Bank.

    Navigator Research reported in February that 79% of respondents support raising taxes on the rich — including 94% of Democrats and 63% of Republicans. In addition, more than 7-in-10 Americans support raising taxes on the wealthy and big corporations across all income levels.



    In just 4 years ... an increase in wealth of more than 50% for the top 1%. This is unsustainable.
    Last edited by Pargat Perrer; Sunday, 27th October, 2024, 03:24 AM.

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    • Yes, Society does need to be governed, and that is best done by the laws of Libertarianism, in a system of circles within circles...
      There is no role for politicians other than to ensure the above!

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      • Bill Gates knows that billionaires like him have used politicians to frame laws to exercise undeserved monopolies to prevent others also from making a fair living, and when the government tried to cancel some of these which he was abusing, he fought tooth and nail against it !

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        • Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post

          Meanwhile, the nation’s top 1% continue to make money at an almost incomprehensible rate. As of the second quarter of 2024, their wealth amounted to $46.71 trillion, according to Federal Reserve data. That’s up more than 50% from 2020’s $30.35 trillion — and more than the combined GDP of the U.S. and China in 2023, which totaled $45.15 trillion, per the World Bank
          Let's not confuse the total wealth with GDP, and if you actually calculate the wealth of the individuals in the top 1% of the nation's population using the figures given by you, it comes to about 10 million per individual... that is just sufficient to have a barely luxurious family life, given the cost of living, e.g. a decent house in LA could cost >5 million.... The way Libertarianism would deal with the inequality is by ensuring that politicians do not frame stupid laws that I referred to in my post above, which create this inequality, and by giving easy access to capital to everyone, so that the GDP of the nation rises along with the wealth of those who currently are not so wealthy, thereby making near-luxurious life possible for the society as a whole...

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            • Nothing prevents Gates from voluntarily donating his wealth to the government if he wants.
              "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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              • The solution is not individual action.

                Systems have to be changed.

                Bob A

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                • Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                  Nothing prevents Gates from voluntarily donating his wealth to the government if he wants.
                  True, but he wants to go further than that ... he wants an ideological movement towards the idea that democratically-elected governments are given the go-ahead to limit the preposterous levels of wealth disparity that exist right now and harm society.

                  What I haven't seen though is what Gates and other billionaires think about the excessive levels of wealth granted to politicians. That to me is equally important to address ... to cut back the excesses of politics.

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                  • Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                    The solution is not individual action.

                    Systems have to be changed.

                    Bob A
                    Yes, they have to be changed for the better, not made worse by Marxism, which would make everyone poorer eventually!

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                    • Eight days ahead of the main voting date, Tues. Nov. 5, Donald Trump seems to be building small polling edges in most of the seven battleground states, according to 538.com, which has a wide collection of state-by-state data, across more than just the presidential race. These are Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada.

                      The effect of Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein could be significant in several of the battleground states. She will take votes away from the Democrats, as she did in 2016, arguably leading to Trump's overall victory.

                      In 2000, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader took enough votes away from the Democrat Al Gore Jr. in New Hampshire, to allow Republican George W. Bush to win that state, just enough to take the White House.

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                      • Originally posted by Frank Dixon View Post
                        Eight days ahead of the main voting date, Tues. Nov. 5, Donald Trump seems to be building small polling edges in most of the seven battleground states, according to 538.com, which has a wide collection of state-by-state data, across more than just the presidential race. These are Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada.

                        The effect of Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein could be significant in several of the battleground states. She will take votes away from the Democrats, as she did in 2016, arguably leading to Trump's overall victory.

                        In 2000, Green Party candidate Ralph Nader took enough votes away from the Democrat Al Gore Jr. in New Hampshire, to allow Republican George W. Bush to win that state, just enough to take the White House.
                        They may have to change the name of the Green Party to the Red Party.

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                        • Originally posted by Frank Dixon View Post
                          Eight days ahead of the main voting date, Tues. Nov. 5, Donald Trump seems to be building small polling edges in most of the seven battleground states, according to 538.com, which has a wide collection of state-by-state data, across more than just the presidential race. These are Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona, and Nevada.
                          Hi Frank, I don't trust the polls anymore. Everything now seems to be just lies, propaganda and spin.

                          Trump made some good moves recently, the McDonald's visit to make fries, and the Joe Rogan interview. Both meant to make him seem less scary and a more likeable guy. I could only get thru 20 minutes of the Rogan interview, but for MAGA folks, I am sure they loved it.

                          But for all the good those two moves did, he likely lost more votes due to the Madison Square Gardens rally on Sunday.

                          So, I am staying with my first prediction from August 10, that Harris wins all the battleground states with 319 votes.
                          I repeated that prediction on Aug 17, 29, Sept 21, and now today.

                          I have no evidence, polls, arguments, I wish to convey at this time. I just wanted to go on the record so I can say "I told you so" later.

                          Oh sure, I could be completely wrong. Trump could win, legitimately or otherwise.


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                          • Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post

                            Hi Frank, I don't trust the polls anymore. Everything now seems to be just lies, propaganda and spin.

                            Trump made some good moves recently, the McDonald's visit to make fries, and the Joe Rogan interview. Both meant to make him seem less scary and a more likeable guy. I could only get thru 20 minutes of the Rogan interview, but for MAGA folks, I am sure they loved it.

                            But for all the good those two moves did, he likely lost more votes due to the Madison Square Gardens rally on Sunday.

                            So, I am staying with my first prediction from August 10, that Harris wins all the battleground states with 319 votes.
                            I repeated that prediction on Aug 17, 29, Sept 21, and now today.

                            I have no evidence, polls, arguments, I wish to convey at this time. I just wanted to go on the record so I can say "I told you so" later.

                            Oh sure, I could be completely wrong. Trump could win, legitimately or otherwise.

                            My prediction is that Trump wins six or seven of the seven swing states. Kamala Harris is a pathetic candidate asking people to turn the page and they will by electing Trump.

                            The average of polls seems to favour Trump more and more.

                            I watched the Rogan podcast. I doubt that Kamala could pull off a similar feat of talking for three hours without a teleprompter. Three hours of, "I was born in a middle class family" probably wouldn't work with Rogan.

                            I guess the final tally will depend on how many illegals are able to stay on the voting rolls. The Justice Department is suing to keep them on the rolls. Why is that if they are not planning to cheat?

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                            • How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?


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                              • Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post

                                How insane is it that the Biden-Harris Administration is suing states to KEEP non-citizens on their voter rolls?


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                                It's not insane. The DOJ has no problem with states trying to systematically purge their voter rolls of ineligible voters so long as, in accordance with federal law, the purge doesn't occur within 90 days of a federal election. Virginia, for example, had from and including November 2020 to and including early August 2024 to bring their rolls up to date. What is their motive for wanting to contravene a federal law that has been in effect for over 30 years? The following was copied from a DOJ press release dated October 11.

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                                "The Justice Department announced today that it has filed a lawsuit against the State of Virginia, Virginia State Board of Elections and Virginia Commissioner of Elections to challenge a systematic state program aimed at removing voters from its election rolls too close to the Nov. 5 general election in violation of the National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA).
                                Section 8(c)(2) of the NVRA, also known as the Quiet Period Provision, requires states to complete systematic programs aimed at removing the names of ineligible voters from voter registration lists no later than 90 days before federal elections. The Quiet Period Provision applies to certain systematic programs carried out by states that are aimed at striking names from voter registration lists based on a perceived failure to meet initial eligibility requirements — including citizenship — at the time of registration."

                                https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justi...ematic-efforts
                                "We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
                                "Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
                                "If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey

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