Canada & Progressives

[Dilip Panjwani]

Oh my god, the utter HYPOCRISY!!!!

THE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRISY !!!!

I pointed out all the problems with Libertarianism and got labelled by this piece of shit as a "nasty troll" in response. He was unable to answer the points raised which showed that LIbertarianism would be disastrous ....

WHAT AN UTTER PIECE OF HYPOCRITIC SHIT IS DILIP PANJWANI.

Hey Nasty Troll PP, you did not point out anything wrong with Libertarianism... you just insulted those who supported Libertarianism...

[Dilip Panjwani]

When there are more entrepreneurs, there are more jobs, and less people aspiring for those jobs, leading to greater remuneration for those who do the jobs. Everyone becomes richer. The opposite happens in Marxism. In Marxism, as happened in Chile under Allende, the government may create jobs and pay well, but these government-run enterprises generate a lot of loss, paid for by the government by printing money, leading to inflation, which reached about 150% in Chile under Allende, making everyone poorer...
And by the way, no one keeps working hard in Marxism, because all essentials are provided free by the government even if you do not work at all....

[Pargat Perrer]

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FYI, smart and hard-working entrepreneurs do not make obscene profits; they work extremely hard to make a decent, comfortable living, with some savings for retirement, but your DM would forcefully snatch away more than 60% (?more than 75%) of what they earn, and so it would become more attractive for them to stop sweating (which they did not mind originally) and relax more, as health care, dental care, children's education, housing, travel, etc. etc. would all be free, leading to the society losing wealth creation by these entrepreneurs.
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What percentage of the general population is "smart"???

Let's say 25 percent. That's 1/4.

What percentage of the general population turns out to be "hard-working"?

[People who dig ditches for minimum wage are "hard-working", can we say the same for those who invent pet rocks and other useless paraphenalia that sell millions?]

Maybe another 25 percent. Another 1/4.

Then it would be /16th (1/4 x 1/4, basic math) of the world population that is smart AND hard-working. That's a best-case scenario, it assumes that 1/4 of the smart class are also hard-working, which is sure to be false because smart people tend to be lazy people, inventing ways to do LESS work.

So in the best case scenario, 15 out of 16 people in the world don't fit into Dilip's elitist world view.

Ok, so these 1 out of every 16 are smart and hard-working people. But now Dilip says that if they were taxed on their profits, they would CEASE to be hard-working.

So the smart and hard-working are hard-working ONLY AS LONG AS THEY EARN MAXIMUM MONEY FOR THEIR WORK. TAKE AWAY ANY OF THAT MONEY AND THEY CEASE TO BE HARD-WORKING.

This means that only smart people who are WELL PAID are also HARD WORKING.

Ditch diggers of the world, do you agree?

Tobacco pickers, do you agree?

Fruit and vegetable harvesters, do you agree?

Nannies, do you agree?

Homemaker women, do you agree?

I would argue that all of those people WHO ARE TAXED FAR MORE THAN MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES are more HARD-WORKING than anyone else. So Dilip ... the smart and hard-working class is the WORST class in the world, they only work hard out of pure selfishness while the lower classes work hard just to pay for food on their tables. and when they get taxed they KEEP WORKING HARD.

[Pargat Perrer]

FYI, Bob G, pointing out the problems with DM is not trolling. If Bob A wants to tell everyone that DM is beneficial, he should be able to answer the points raised which show that it would be disastrous...

Oh my god, the utter HYPOCRISY!!!!

THE UNMITIGATED HYPOCRISY !!!!

I pointed out all the problems with Libertarianism and got labelled by this piece of shit as a "nasty troll" in response. He was unable to answer the points raised which showed that LIbertarianism would be disastrous ....

WHAT AN UTTER PIECE OF HYPOCRITIC SHIT IS DILIP PANJWANI.

[Pargat Perrer]

Good plan. Ignore the trolls.

For the record, I think the world needs to come together somehow, in a loose global framework, allowing for diverse political and economic systems, encouraging democracy and the elimination of human exploitation and environmental collapse. That system does not currently exist, but hopefully will evolve over time.

That is my hope, it maybe is a pipe dream.

Given the choice between Democratic Socialism and Libertarianism, I choose DM.

Hopefully we can evolve.

Very nice post! (just one minor correction: DM stands for Democratic Marxism, not Democratic Socialism, but it's really the same, is it Bob A?)

The unfortunate truth about the changes needed that you speak of is that it cannot happen without a massive, worldwide DIE-OFF of human population. The preponderance of cancerous elitists running the world cannot at this stage be displaced by revolution or coups d'etats or anything else besides total economic / environmental collapse of society. Then the survivors must keep records of all past events to realize what happened.

and then, as you said Bob G, we evolve.

Bob, I was wondering what you think of my take on the Canadian election? Do you think Canadians did what those elephants did in response to a crisis they were unfamiliar with (earthquake) in the video I saw? The elephants came running from all directions, into a circle they formed around their young. In the election, it seemed to me Canadians, dealing with a very unfamiliar crisis of an antagonistic USA, gathered in a circle and voted centrist. like the elephants forming that small circle.

[Dilip Panjwani]

Dear Bob,

I had provided an extensive response and a set of questions for you in response to the set of statements on DM that you had posted not too long ago. So it is not true that I did not give feedback.
FYI, smart and hard-working entrepreneurs do not make obscene profits; they work extremely hard to make a decent, comfortable living, with some savings for retirement, but your DM would forcefully snatch away more than 60% (?more than 75%) of what they earn, and so it would become more attractive for them to stop sweating (which they did not mind originally) and relax more, as health care, dental care, children's education, housing, travel, etc. etc. would all be free, leading to the society losing wealth creation by these entrepreneurs. That is what eventually happened in Chile under Allende, and the inflation rate shot to 3-digits, and everybody got poorer...
Those who make obscene income are those who bribe the 'all-powerful' politicians into letting them do so unfairly... These politicians make the earnings of a life-time while they are in power, even though they end up eventually being booted out by DM, only to be replaced by another set of all-powerful politicians, who do the same as their predecessors... (That is why in Libertarianism politicians do not have any 'power' over others, and all the efforts of the government are directed towards enforcing swiftly and comprehensively the Natural Law, to which the politicians are also subject to. As mentioned earlier on discussion on this, one of the main tricks criminals employ in preventing being found liable is 'privacy', which would not be allowed in Libertarianism. The inability of the poor to seek justice because of inability to hire hard-working lawyers who themselves do a lot of investigation, will also not exist in Libertarianism).

Do you realize that the above is the reason that the vast majority of people (including Americans, Europeans, Chinese, Indians, Arabs and Africans) stay away from Marxist principles, which your DM espouses.

[Bob Armstrong]

Dilip (I know.....I said I wouldn't take the bait [sigh])

I tried my best in the Democratic Marxism thread......



That CT group developed a set of DM Statements that were generally considered acceptable to that CT'er group.

There were discussed probably over 20 Discussion Papers on DM issued by the Democratic Marxist Global Institute.

All we ever got from you was: You're not answering the questions, ad nauseum. No one sided with you except Syd. Other CT'ers gave feedback on topic, but not you.

At some point I have to get the message being delivered by you.......

Others must try to get you to understand that the answers are in the wealth of DM material already presented.

And I have told the world that the CT thread on DM is one of the best places to start researching on this new concepts party.

One example only: yes, in that, is the statement that entrepreneurs will be valued in a DM society for the same contributions they make to capitalism, though without exorbitant, obscene profits made on the back of society generally - to just show that you don't want answers.....you just want super-critical, unbased, monologue....your monologue.

Bob A (DM'er)

P.S. I agree with Bob G - if I have to choose between Libertarianism and Democratic Marxism, I too will choose DM. I don't know about the other CT'ers on this new thread I started, but they can speak for themselves, if interested enough to answer Dilip and his Libertarian presentations, as the alternative to DM.

[Dilip Panjwani]

Good plan. Ignore the trolls.

For the record, I think the world needs to come together somehow, in a loose global framework, allowing for diverse political and economic systems, encouraging democracy and the elimination of human exploitation and environmental collapse. That system does not currently exist, but hopefully will evolve over time.

That is my hope, it maybe is a pipe dream.

Given the choice between Democratic Socialism and Libertarianism, I choose DM.

Hopefully we can evolve.

FYI, Bob G, pointing out the problems with DM is not trolling. If Bob A wants to tell everyone that DM is beneficial, he should be able to answer the points raised which show that it would be disastrous...

[Bob Gillanders]

Hi Dilip:

Sloganneering that is repetitive gets quite tiring.

I'll no longer try to explain things to you......pretty committed to Libertarian ideology.

Good plan. Ignore the trolls.

For the record, I think the world needs to come together somehow, in a loose global framework, allowing for diverse political and economic systems, encouraging democracy and the elimination of human exploitation and environmental collapse. That system does not currently exist, but hopefully will evolve over time.

That is my hope, it maybe is a pipe dream.

Given the choice between Democratic Socialism and Libertarianism, I choose DM.

Hopefully we can evolve.

[Dilip Panjwani]

Bob, have the guts to answer the points raised, instead of shutting your eyes and brain to obvious truth.
You do not seem to understand that DM does not encourage the growth of society's wealth, as it punishes entrepreneurs; all it does is redistribute shrinking wealth. It also makes the process of generating wealth managed by government employees, and history and common sense have shown that businesses fail to deliver when run by the government.

[Bob Armstrong]

Hi Dilip:

Sloganneering that is repetitive gets quite tiring.

I'll no longer try to explain things to you......pretty committed to Libertarian ideology.

If others here are interested, I will continue to try to explain, what Dilip has NEVER gotten, is that "Communism" is a socialism, but is a bastardization of Marx, not Marxism (And this is the old dog he keeps coming up with so as to beat it with a stick, the same old, tiring one).



Democratic Marxism has never been tried before, as elaborated here, for the benefit, hopefully, of CT'ers. DM has only said that the closest thing to a DM government was that of President Salvador Allende in 1970-73. But it was actually a Unity Government of Democratic Socialism, and the traditional USSR-type Communist Party of Chile.

So please consider (Don't listen Dilip) the series of Discussion Papers I have posted on the prior CT Democratic Marxism thread, and then levy criticism on the policies proposed & we'll have an intelligent debate (Not a mouthing of platitudes, as has regularly happened here).

Bob A (Trying to explain my Democratic Marxism; I've totally failed with Dilip; hope others are clearer on the NEW PARTY proposed policies)

[Dilip Panjwani]

Democracy in Canada

Capitalism with a Human Face - Social Democracy - New Democratic Party of Canada



... the people will finally look at, and appreciate the benefits of Democratic Socialism (Or by then, perhaps the benefits of Democratic Marxism - they will by then have seen the benefits when the Democratic Marxist Party...).

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

What benefits, Bob, are you talking about...you have never honestly answered all the questions about the disastrous nature of Marxism...
Instead of making sure that the dirty rich cannot bribe the politicians to build a system and put in a myriad regulations which prevent the hard-working commoners to start businesses on their own, Marxism just lets the dirty rich steal from the rest and then itself steals what it can from hard and smart-working entrepreneurs to distribute the stolen stuff to those who prefer to relax rather than do hard and smart work.... a very destructive and disastrous system indeed...

[Bob Armstrong]

Democracy in Canada

Capitalism with a Human Face - Social Democracy - New Democratic Party of Canada



The NDP is the eventual path out of Capitalism........capitalism must evolve in Canada to an NDP majority government in future! They will rise like the Phoenix in the next election (Likely not that far off, since the Libs and Cons will agree on nothing).

Eventually the NDP & the Bloc & the Green will decide to end the pain of the struggling Carney minority government, pass the non-confidence motion, and all will go for the golden ring again.

After the NDP fails to satisfy, somewhere forward in Canada's future, the people will finally look at, and appreciate the benefits of Democratic Socialism (Or by then, perhaps the benefits of Democratic Marxism - they will by then have seen the benefits when the Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario formed the provincial government, & restructured the whole province municipally).

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

[Pargat Perrer]

Americas - Canada

Federal Election: Monday, April 28, 2025 (Less than 1 month away!)

"The one issue that could flip the advantage back to Poilievre!

The latest polling data suggests that Canadians believe Mark Carney



would do a better job than Pierre Poilievre at going toe-to-toe with Donald Trump.

However, the majority of Canadians still view the cost of living as the federal election’s number one issue, Mark Ramzy reports."

The Toronto Star - First Up Newsletter - By Andrew Joe Potter - 25/3/29

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

CANADA STAYS CENTER-LEFT
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As many of you might recall, I have long said that for major democratic developed nations, it is probably best to remain politically Center or Center-Left.

Canada did the right thing and threw away the false promises of Libertarianism / Conservatism and stayed Center-Left for the next few years.

The other PP who leads the woeful Conservatives, did he actually lose his seat? If yes, he should resign as did Singh of the Old Democrats. (How long can they be New Democrats? How long can they even remain a party?)

Too bad Dollup Panhandler, your miracle man is not going to take over. Thank goodness.

In the face of crisis, Canadians flocked to the center. Like a herd of elephants who, in response to the unexpected such as an earthquake, form a circle inside of which are their babies.

The Americans did something very different and disturbing, and as a result are in dire straits.

The collapse of the New Democrats is also a trend worth commenting on. Could it be that in Canada, we will reject polarization altogether?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMnQscwcJXE

[Bob Armstrong]

The World Population projections now state that quite soon, due to many factors, the World Population for the first time will start to DECREASE!

Bob A