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Here is the scenario. GM Bator most likely qualifies by being Canadian Champion. GM Anton, GM Eric, and GM Kevin most likely qualify by rating.
Presumably Kevin declines which means that the selection committee would get two choices. Right now GM Thomas hasn't played as much as Aman, Leonid, Tomas, Edward, Bindi, Nikolay, Richard, etc. I wouldn't think GM Tyomkin would even be on the radar of the selection committee.
Of course in a year's time we may have one or two more new GM's !!
GM Tyomkin doesn't seem to live and play in Canada anymore... I'd rather support players that at least play in some Canadian tournaments.
I think the selection committee would make a huge mistake by not considering GM Roussel-Roozmon. Not only having 4 GMs would be great for sponsors and donors (two people already announced they would give money if we had a full GM team), but Roussel-Roozmon has proven to be one of the strongest performers at the Olympiads (20.5/28! including 2 GM norms).
Obviously, there would still be a fifth spot for a young IM.
If memory serves correctly, the Open team players each received a $500 stipend for 2012. More often than not, the stipend has been zero. Of course transportation, accommodations, and meals are always covered.
The Belzberg's funded the Open team on 2 or 3 occasions. It was a performance based system where players were paid per win.
Most of the money we receive from the contract with the FQE goes to sponsor the team. This might account for 75% of the base price.
I guess a good question for Eric is how much is fair compensation ? We so far have two $1,000 donations (I assume they are dependent on us securing Eric, Anton and Bator and 2 IM's). Right now we don't have any other active GM's who would be willing to play.
It seems you are in error when you say that there are two $1,000 donations. Both larry Bevand and JKM based their offers of adding to the GM's stipend and NOT to general expenses and contingent on an all GM team. Both you and Hal Bond seem to imply that the $2,000 would go to the general expense fund wheras I believe the offer was meant as part of a stipend after the expenses which would be covered by an undertaking of the Chess Federation.
Further, Hal Bond states that the basic amount needed to send teams to the Olympiad is about $20,000. But that includes a women's team as well and the $1,000 offers had nothing to do with the base cost of both teams. One point not mentioned in the original offer is - What happens if one or more of the players are due to receive the GM titles based on having achieved the required norms by the time the team is finalized. We have at least three active players with one or more norms each - namely Aman Hambleton, Nikolay Noritsyn and Leonid Gerzhoy. They could conceivably achieve the needed norms by next Spring. I'm guessing that both Larry and JKM would agree to accept them as GM's in that instance.
As I see it, the CFC is responsible for all basic expenses not covered by the Olympiad organisers. The GM stipend is a completely separate matter.
It seems you are in error when you say that there are two $1,000 donations. Both larry Bevand and JKM based their offers of adding to the GM's stipend and NOT to general expenses and contingent on an all GM team. Both you and Hal Bond seem to imply that the $2,000 would go to the general expense fund wheras I believe the offer was meant as part of a stipend after the expenses which would be covered by an undertaking of the Chess Federation.
Further, Hal Bond states that the basic amount needed to send teams to the Olympiad is about $20,000. But that includes a women's team as well and the $1,000 offers had nothing to do with the base cost of both teams. One point not mentioned in the original offer is - What happens if one or more of the players are due to receive the GM titles based on having achieved the required norms by the time the team is finalized. We have at least three active players with one or more norms each - namely Aman Hambleton, Nikolay Noritsyn and Leonid Gerzhoy. They could conceivably achieve the needed norms by next Spring. I'm guessing that both Larry and JKM would agree to accept them as GM's in that instance.
As I see it, the CFC is responsible for all basic expenses not covered by the Olympiad organisers. The GM stipend is a completely separate matter.
I'm aware of the stipulations they put on their donations. There are other active IM's with GM norms, but for fear of missing somebody I won't list names.
I would assume that 5 GM / GM-elects would satisfy the potential donors.
In theory, there could be an all GM team, but I don't think it is too likely (and in any event it would be Feb or Mar before that would even be known). I would consider securing the three players mentioned and the next two best to be worthy of the donations.
That sounds too late. Relatively inactive players won't likely train in advance for something which might never happen. Even if they were giving some consideration to the idea. Also, it sounds like the sponsors were specific on the condition of an all GM team.
Personally, I don't much care. There are IM's I wouldn't mind seeing play and one of the eligible GM players I wouldn't even consider for much more than the reserve spot.
The problem with an event like the Olympiad is that the results live forever. OK if a player has a good year but not so OK if it's not very good.
I agree with Eric's view point. He is a professional and he should not be expected to play for free even if the tournament is Olympic status. He should be compensated for the time spent representing Canada ( 2nd biggest country in the world ). CFC and Canada government should do more to get these GMs to play for Canada. Eric and Aman are doing a great job as ambassador for Canada by playing actively around the world. If countries like Armenia ( a small country ) can become the super power in chess and Canada not in the elite group despite G7 status, something is not right here.....
I agree with Eric's view point. He is a professional and he should not be expected to play for free even if the tournament is Olympic status. He should be compensated for the time spent representing Canada ( 2nd biggest country in the world ). CFC and Canada government should do more to get these GMs to play for Canada. Eric and Aman are doing a great job as ambassador for Canada by playing actively around the world. If countries like Armenia ( a small country ) can become the super power in chess and Canada not in the elite group despite G7 status, something is not right here.....
Eric is of course welcome to handle his hobby/career anyway he wants, but in some past Olympiad cycles he wasn't a great ambassador. He criticized Olympiad selections ( putting down some worthy players ) and severely put down the women's Olympiad program. The latter has unfortunately been a habit of several top Canadian male players beyond Eric. Given his age at the time, perhaps he will present a different viewpoint at some point.
What is the obsession with an all-GM team? Sure it looks nice but the purpose is to field our strongest team not the "most intimidating." Thomas Roussel-Roozmon is behind Panjwani, Porper, Samsonkin, Krnan, Gerzhoy, Noritsyn, and Hambleton in terms of the average rating of CFC and FIDE list published on the CFC forum. This isn't a slight against Thomas, but it seems simply illogical that he should be considered ahead of a number of worthy IM candidates.
Just because someone makes a comment that they will sponsor an all-GM team doesn't mean we should drop what we're doing and arrange for all the GM's in Canada to participate without a real selection process. Such a money-driven decision wouldn't be fielding our strongest team and it wouldn't make any sense.
Obviously, there would still be a fifth spot for a young IM.
Sounds pretty condescending. The fourth spot is for whoever deserves it, and at this moment I think Thomas Roussel-Roozman is behind a long list of players vying for it. Things can change over time, but for now I don't see him being outstanding in the categories of CFC rating, FIDE rating, activity, or recent results. I'm not sure why you think he deserves special consideration.
What is the obsession with an all-GM team? Sure it looks nice but the purpose is to field our strongest team not the "most intimidating." Thomas Roussel-Roozmon is behind Panjwani, Porper, Samsonkin, Krnan, Gerzhoy, Noritsyn, and Hambleton in terms of the average rating of CFC and FIDE list published on the CFC forum. This isn't a slight against Thomas, but it seems simply illogical that he should be considered ahead of a number of worthy IM candidates.
Just because someone makes a comment that they will sponsor an all-GM team doesn't mean we should drop what we're doing and arrange for all the GM's in Canada to participate without a real selection process. Such a money-driven decision wouldn't be fielding our strongest team and it wouldn't make any sense.
Sounds pretty condescending. The fourth spot is for whoever deserves it, and at this moment I think Thomas Roussel-Roozman is behind a long list of players vying for it. Things can change over time, but for now I don't see him being outstanding in the categories of CFC rating, FIDE rating, activity, or recent results. I'm not sure why you think he deserves special consideration.
Hi Aman,
From my perspective, I am looking for Canada to field our best team of active players who are keen to play as a team and make it happen. Team chemistry is important as well as a great captain who can deal with the personalities. In otherwords...no chess tourists allowed...and everyone rowing in the same direction. If I was the CFC, I would be making this a top priority project! The money is out there...we have seen that in the past (Thanks Sid and Brian for example). What we need is someone to lead and make it happen.
My main argument in favour of GM Roussel is not his title, but his past results.
Some players tend to play much better at the Olympiads than in regular Swiss tournaments (while for other players, it's the opposite). I wouldn't bet on Thomas for a Swiss tournament, but he sure proved to be one of the best players at the Olympiads. The fact that he got 2 GM norms there proves that he can definitely represent well Canada. Experience counts a lot in such a tournament.
For the record, here are the results from the last Olympiads :
1 GM Sambuev Bator 2523 CAN 3.0 2386
2 IM Gerzhoy Leonid 2448 CAN 5.0 2474
3 IM Noritsyn Nikolay 2472 CAN 6.0 2503
4 IM Hansen Eric 2472 CAN 2646 7.5
5 IM Porper Edward 2418 CAN 3.5 2251
1 GM Bluvshtein Mark 2583 CAN 2576 6
2 IM Roussel-Roozmon Thomas 2484 CAN 2588 7
3 IM Gerzhoy Leonid 2485 CAN 2381 3.5
4 IM Samsonkin Artiom 2409 CAN 2423 3
5 IM Noritsyn Nikolay 2414 CAN 2314 3.5
The selection committee must take past results into account.
What is the obsession with an all-GM team? Sure it looks nice but the purpose is to field our strongest team not the "most intimidating." Thomas Roussel-Roozmon is behind Panjwani, Porper, Samsonkin, Krnan, Gerzhoy, Noritsyn, and Hambleton in terms of the average rating of CFC and FIDE list published on the CFC forum. This isn't a slight against Thomas, but it seems simply illogical that he should be considered ahead of a number of worthy IM candidates.
Just because someone makes a comment that they will sponsor an all-GM team doesn't mean we should drop what we're doing and arrange for all the GM's in Canada to participate without a real selection process. Such a money-driven decision wouldn't be fielding our strongest team and it wouldn't make any sense.
Sounds pretty condescending. The fourth spot is for whoever deserves it, and at this moment I think Thomas Roussel-Roozman is behind a long list of players vying for it. Things can change over time, but for now I don't see him being outstanding in the categories of CFC rating, FIDE rating, activity, or recent results. I'm not sure why you think he deserves special consideration.
GM Aman Hambleton by Dec.26. See you in three months.
What exactly are you responding to? I haven't complained in this thread about not making enough money or mentioned chess sponsorship. So I'm not sure why you are trying to educate me on that subject especially as you cited two strong examples of how victories over World Champions will hardly change anything. The Olympiad is a nice event to follow but it's just another tournament and unless you are a top country most people in the will be completely oblivious to your performance as there are so many others in the same boat. I have plenty of future opportunities vs top players with or without the Olympiad.
I said that don't expect me to play next year for free. A lot of amateur players speak about chess salaries and the system without knowing too much. I'm not here to beg, I'm just stating where I stand (a year in advance).
Sorry I didn't mean to come across as criticizing you. I was just trying to say that significant funding from the CFC is not a realistic option without corporate sponsorship, and corporate sponsorship will only happen if chess players provide value to the sponsors. The Olympiad is the highest profile event in the chess world aside from the World Championship, and as such, it is the most likely one to provide visibility and attract sponsors. Okay Pascal's victory against Anand didn't change anything, but he was never a professional player. I'm sure if he had played professionally, his victory would have opened doors for him in terms of attracting sponsors.
You want to be a professional chess player, so look at it as a business. Playing well is only one part of it. You have to market yourself. You came on here saying "I'll only play in the Olympiad if I'm compensated." That's fair, you're entitled to your opinion, and I even support you. But maybe you could have said instead "I'm working to secure sponsorship to allow Canada's top young talent to compete in the upcoming Olympiad." It's the same thing but saying it this way is more likely to lead to a positive result in my opinion.
Olympiad starts August 1, 2014
Highest ratings starting February 2, 2013
Ratings for September 1, 2013
Players Title FIDE CAN AVE Games Elig Place WNE
Kovalyov A GM 2612 2650 2631 9 No 1 NEG
Sambuev B GM 2530 2696 2613 =20 Yes 2
Bluvshtein M GM 2590 2632 2611 0 No 3 NEG
Hansen E GM 2584 2634 2609 =20 Yes 4
Spraggett K GM 2577 2571 2574 10 Yes 5
Hambleton A IM 2509 2616 2563 =20 Yes 6
Lesiege A GM 2528 2577 2553 0 No 7 NEG
Charbonneau P GM 2505 2585 2545 0 No 8 NEG
Noritsyn N IM 2467 2616 2542 =20 Yes 9
Tyomkin D GM 2489 2570 2530 9 No 10 NEG
Gerzhoy L IM 2478 2571 2525 =20 Yes 11
Krnan T IM 2439 2568 2504 14 Yes 12
Samsonkin A IM 2415 2564 2490 19 Yes 13
Zugic I IM 2462 2516 2489 0 No 14 NEG
Cheng B IM 2442 2531 2487 =20 Yes 15
Porper E IM 2454 2508 2481 =20 Yes 16
Panjwani R IM 2413 2549 2481 =20 Yes 17
Roussel-R. T GM 2476 2478 2477 9 No 18 NEG
Wang R IM 2430 2496 2463 =20 Yes 19
Teplitsky Y IM 2448 2473 2461 0 No 20 NEG
Quan Z IM 2431 2462 2447 0 No 21 NEG
Thavandiran S FM 2371 2514 2443 =20 Yes 22
Hergott D IM 2385 2474 2430 0 No 23 NEG
Hebert J IM 2387 2451 2419 12 Yes 24
Preotu R 2322 2506 2414 =20 Yes 25
Doroshenko M FM 2336 2482 2409 9 No 26 NEG
Tayar J IM 2344 2462 2403 0 No 27 NEG
Qin J 2286 2466 2376 17 Yes 28
Sapozhnikov R FM 2298 2422 2360 =20 Yes 29
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