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  • #31
    Re: Historic days

    Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
    I've seen the work that Hal has done and is doing and I've seen what you do. Enough said.
    You have been 'seeing' with your mind closed. Enough said.
    Only the rushing is heard...
    Onward flies the bird.

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    • #32
      Re: Historic days

      Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
      I've seen the work that Hal has done and is doing and I've seen what you do. Enough said.
      I think Paul is referring to the Fall of Man in Genesis -

      For verily, the Good Book hath said,

      "And the fallen angels who had followed Lucifer, were slung out
      of heaven into damnation, for verily did hell bond with the devil!"

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      • #33
        Re: Historic days

        Originally posted by Francis Rodriguez View Post
        I think Paul is referring to the Fall of Man in Genesis -

        For verily, the Good Book hath said,

        "And the fallen angels who had followed Lucifer, were slung out
        of heaven into damnation, for verily did hell bond with the devil!"

        Wow, if that was a Nostradamus quatrain, he'd have even MORE believers in his prophetic powers! If 'Hister' can equal 'Hitler', 'hell bond' can equal 'Hal Bond'!

        With respect to Hal Bond, it matters little that he may have the most integrity as an organizer than anyone else in Canada. When it comes to chess politics, integrity can go out the window and Hal may be just following the money like almost everyone else.

        The comment Hal wrote "I am staying at "Kasparov's" hotel, presumably to see if Canada's vote could be changed. The persuasion has been gentle and not too frequent - one offer and 2 discussions" seems to imply that Hal's (i.e. Canada's) vote COULD HAVE BEEN changed if only the right offer was made. And that Hal's (i.e. Canada's) vote was changed just as Sid described, when Hal was in Russia performing arbiter duties and presumably received an 'offer' from Kirsan's people.

        If Hal Bond had political integrity, he wouldn't allow himself to be any part of all this entirely corrupt process that makes most sponsors view chess with suspicion and as something to be avoided. And he certainly wouldn't just let Sid's accusations go unanswered, leaving all readers of ChessTalk wondering just what really went on. This is what people like Kerry Liles just can't wrap their little minds around, and so they get all emotional and irrational about.

        By the way, Kerry Liles if you're reading this, you should recall that I was arguing repeatedly on this forum that Canada should abstain in the FIDE vote, which was your preference. So I'm not a Kasparov supporter airing grievances. I just want to hear more from Hal Bond, because he actually seems to have spearheaded the move towards Kirsan, and this after telling Sid that he (Sid) could count on Canada's support for Kasparov. This is all according to Sid, so I think Hal owes us all an explanation.
        Only the rushing is heard...
        Onward flies the bird.

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        • #34
          Re: Historic days

          Originally posted by Joel Stainer View Post
          So when do we get our first Interstellar Chess tournament? You know since the aliens were in touch with Kirsan and all that.
          Believe it or not you are not far from the truth in Kirsan's mind. He is a great admirer of the Russian literary crook figure Ostap Bender for whom he erected the following statue in Elista: https://www.flickr.com/photos/obartunov/7851406072/

          In the novel "12 chairs" Ostap duped the local townspeople by taking their money for an interstellar chess tournament. http://lib.ru/ILFPETROV/ilf_petrov_12_chairs_engl.txt
          Go to chapter 34 and you can read for yourself (this is one of my favourite books, although of course a lot is lost in translation).

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          • #35
            Re: Historic days

            Originally posted by Vlad Rekhson View Post
            Believe it or not you are not far from the truth in Kirsan's mind. He is a great admirer of the Russian literary crook figure Ostap Bender for whom he erected the following statue in Elista: https://www.flickr.com/photos/obartunov/7851406072/

            In the novel "12 chairs" Ostap duped the local townspeople by taking their money for an interstellar chess tournament. http://lib.ru/ILFPETROV/ilf_petrov_12_chairs_engl.txt
            Go to chapter 34 and you can read for yourself (this is one of my favourite books, although of course a lot is lost in translation).

            Two days ago in the speeches when Garry announced that his billionaire colleague on his ticket, Mr Sinquefeld pledged to put $10,000,000 into FIDE by tomorrow, Kirsan trumped him in his speech and said he would put $20,000,000 into FIDE today. Here is how a crook makes a $20,000,000 promise vanish when asked in an interview today where the $20,000,000 is.

            http://chess-news.ru/en/node/16408
            Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Wednesday, 13th August, 2014, 05:38 PM.

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            • #36
              Re: Historic days

              Rex Sinquefield is also far from perfect - Kirsan is not alone in buying votes....

              http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/04/...souris-schools

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              • #37
                Re: Historic days

                Originally posted by Hugh Brodie View Post
                Rex Sinquefield is also far from perfect - Kirsan is not alone in buying votes....

                http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/04/...souris-schools
                Nice try, the biggest contributor to decay in the American Educational system is the powerful teachers union. Mr Sinquefeld along with Bill Gates et al are 100% correct in going after this problem, and it does not surprise me that probably the teachers unions would have a trash article like this published by a trashy anti corporate left wing propaganda think tank like the one you cite .Here is a quote from the about us on their website "CMD's niche is investigating and exposing the undue influence of corporations and front groups on public policy, including PR campaigns, lobbying, and electioneering".I remember seeing Bill Gates several years ago in Toronto at the premiere showing of "Waiting For Superman" and talking about this very problem during the Q and A about the movie that highlights challenges facing the American Educational system.


                Interesting how the only reply you can make to an unequivocal example of Kirsan's criminality is not to refute the allegation but instead to take a cheap shot at Sinquefeld. Of course the reason is that you are unable to refute what is stated about Kirsan in the example above. The best part about Kirsan buying votes is that they are done on the cheap with a long track record of broken promises such as the most recent one highlighted in my previous post.. Many federations are so deeply indebted to FIDE with the fees it charges that just getting the fee debt eliminated is enough to support the incumbent. What a sham and what a tragedy for the game we all love.
                Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Wednesday, 13th August, 2014, 11:18 AM.

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                • #38
                  Re: Historic days

                  I wasn't trying to refute anything - I was simply making a statement, and quoting an article.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Historic days

                    Originally posted by Hugh Brodie View Post
                    I wasn't trying to refute anything - I was simply making a statement, and quoting an article.
                    Exactly,why would you try to refute the irrefutable, instead quote trash from a trashy website to try to cast aspersions on Mr Sinquefeld who unlike Kirsan keeps his promises, especially when it comes to chess as evidenced by the world class Chess Club and Scholastic Center St Louis financed courtesy of Mr Sinquefeld.

                    https://saintlouischessclub.org
                    Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Wednesday, 13th August, 2014, 11:35 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Good thing it doesn't happen here.

                      Originally posted by Hugh Brodie View Post
                      Rex Sinquefield is also far from perfect - Kirsan is not alone in buying votes....

                      http://www.prwatch.org/news/2014/04/...souris-schools
                      Holy crap. This plutocrat supported former U.S. Representative Todd Akin who said that he opposed abortion, even for victims of rape, because "legitimate rape rarely leads to pregnancy". But it doesn't end there. He claimed that that the KKK invented public education and that, therefore, it was a legitimate target for his campaigns to destroy it.

                      Weird how we get these "benefactors" in public life (or chess) who turn out to be anything but. Good thing it doesn't happen in Canada, huh?
                      Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Good thing it doesn't happen here.

                        How dare he have a conservative viewpoint! Shame! Of course, the writer is lauded for his left wing viewpoint!

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                        • #42
                          Re: Good thing it doesn't happen here.

                          Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
                          Holy crap. This plutocrat supported former U.S. Representative Todd Akin who said that he opposed abortion, even for victims of rape, because "legitimate rape rarely leads to pregnancy". But it doesn't end there. He claimed that that the KKK invented public education and that, therefore, it was a legitimate target for his campaigns to destroy it.

                          Weird how we get these "benefactors" in public life (or chess) who turn out to be anything but. Good thing it doesn't happen in Canada, huh?
                          Sure thing, it would be a real tragedy for chess if something like this were in Canada.
                          https://saintlouischessclub.org

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                          • #43
                            Re: Historic days

                            Originally posted by Vlad Rekhson View Post
                            Believe it or not you are not far from the truth in Kirsan's mind. He is a great admirer of the Russian literary crook figure Ostap Bender for whom he erected the following statue in Elista: https://www.flickr.com/photos/obartunov/7851406072/

                            In the novel "12 chairs" Ostap duped the local townspeople by taking their money for an interstellar chess tournament. http://lib.ru/ILFPETROV/ilf_petrov_12_chairs_engl.txt
                            Go to chapter 34 and you can read for yourself (this is one of my favourite books, although of course a lot is lost in translation).
                            Thanks Vlad,

                            This stuff is fantastic. You can't even make it up!

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                            • #44
                              Your guy lost, and badly, and rightly so. Get over it.

                              Originally posted by Sid Belzberg View Post
                              Sure thing, it would be a real tragedy for chess if something like this were in Canada.
                              https://saintlouischessclub.org
                              A bid for the World Championship isn't forthcoming, is it? I guess we have to rely on the "Rooskies" for that.

                              Building chess infrastructure was exactly the sort of thing that Kirsan was criticized for when he was Kalmykian President. I guess because he's not "our" plutocrat, it's not OK.


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                              In any case,
                              your guy lost,
                              and badly,
                              and rightly so.

                              Get over it.
                              Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Your guy lost, and badly, and rightly so. Get over it.

                                "A bid for the World Championship isn't forthcoming, is it?"


                                LOL! No legitimate Western sponsor would have anything to do with FIDE controlled by a crook like Kirsan. $20,000,000 in chess election promises evaporated in one day. Which promises will be vaporized next?

                                http://chess-news.ru/en/node/16408

                                Here is a nice event Carlsen is participating in a few weeks in St Louis. Possibly the strongest tournament in history.
                                https://saintlouischessclub.org/civi...?reset=1&id=62
                                Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Wednesday, 13th August, 2014, 01:25 PM.

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