Global climate change

[Kevin Pacey]

This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.

[Ken MacDonald]

Re: Global climate change

This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.

Am I the only one who noticed that it used to be called GLOBAL WARMING until that proved to be "An Inconvenient Truth" and then the name changed to Climate Change?

[Bob Gillanders]

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Am I the only one who noticed that it used to be called GLOBAL WARMING until that proved to be "An Inconvenient Truth" and then the name changed to Climate Change?

The term "Climate Change" was adopted by some over a decade ago by those who thought it a better term than "Global Warming". But for all practical purposes, it is the same.

The greenhouse effect causes the planet to heat up, "Global Warming". This in turn causes "Climate Change".

Global Warming/Climate Change is indeed "an inconvenient truth" as we need to change our ways. Assuming we can do anything we want and Mother Earth will provide us with a habitable environment is naive.

[Ed Seedhouse]

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This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.

Because as we all know our opinions count more than reality...

[Simon Valiquette]

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Am I the only one who noticed that it used to be called GLOBAL WARMING until that proved to be "An Inconvenient Truth" and then the name changed to Climate Change?

It is not an « inconvenient thruth » at all.

Scientificaly, not only there is little doubt that there is a global warming, but the question is how to manage the now unavoidable climate change that it is provoking. There is now very few credible climatologists worldwide not recognizing man-made global warming, and good chance to find anything published by them in the past 5 years in a peer-reviewed publication. Not because they are muzzled, but because the evidence are extremely strong.

Many people don't understand that global warming can have many apparently counter intuitive effects, like having a colder Winter (we have this because the jet stream is weaker, and the arctic cold air can now go much furter to the south - of course it means that the north is also warmer).

For example, many people present as evidence that there is no global warming the fact that the sea-ice cover around Antarctica have increased recently, something that was missed by most models. But the fact is that there is more ice because it is melting, and most models underestmated at which speed the continental ice would move into the ocean. A similar process is happening with Groenland, tough the main models here got much closer to the measured data.

One thing that is often forgoten, is that most of the heat is not absorbed by the air, but by the water and the ice. The air can only absorb a small part of this energy. Also the melting of so much ice put a temporary presure to cool the oceans water. Finally, considering that the sun is exceptionaly quiet and colder than usual for at least 2 solar cycles, there must be an explanation why all those glaciers are now melting so quickly.

[Gary Ruben]

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Many people don't understand that global warming can have many apparently counter intuitive effects, like having a colder Winter (we have this because the jet stream is weaker, and the arctic cold air can now go much furter to the south - of course it means that the north is also warmer).

If the jet stream is so easy to predict without taking into consideration El Nino and the upper air systems then the scientists could get rich with Orange Juice futures. So simple is predicting the weather.

[Ed Seedhouse]

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If the jet stream is so easy to predict without taking into consideration El Nino and the upper air systems then the scientists could get rich with Orange Juice futures. So simple is predicting the weather.

Well, I could have told Simon that mere facts and science won't change any minds in here. Gary was told that climate and weather are two different things years ago, but has yet to grasp this simple concept.

[Kevin Pacey]

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Bumping up this poll at least one more time, to try to get more votes registered. Folks have had a long time to form an opinion on this topic, based on what they've read or heard, and I thought there might be more interest in giving some input without putting oneself at risk of any of the written flak involved by making a post in a climate thread.

[Joel Stainer]

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Could we get a poll on gravity next please? I've felt a little heavier over the course of the past 6 months, and my scale is confirming it. Pretty sure 'Big Scale' is behind the gravity scam. After all, it's 'only a theory' right? ;)

[Kevin Pacey]

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Fwiw, below is a wikipedia entry (circa 2012) showing belief in climate change as a percentage, in various nations (the CBC, circa 2011, has a higher percantage of Canadians as believers [80%!], whereas they, like the wikipedia results a year later, have Americans at about 50%). Since we're on chesstalk, my poll here may take in a higher percantage of skeptical-by-nature Canadians, with many of us perhaps being such, as chessplayers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate...ion_by_country

[Caleb Petersen]

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That very well could be! I'd lean towards it not happening to the extent people think (of course it's going to happen somewhat!) and is all a hoax. Sadly many of these things are a hoax, especially if they involved war.

[Bob Gillanders]

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That very well could be! I'd lean towards it not happening to the extent people think (of course it's going to happen somewhat!) and is all a hoax. Sadly many of these things are a hoax, especially if they involved war.

Caleb, not everything is a conspiracy or hoax. Sure, they do exist, but sometimes if it "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck!" More evidence of global warming / climate change:
http://time.com/3656646/2014-hottest-year/

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

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Many people don't understand that global warming can have many apparently counter intuitive effects, like having a colder Winter (we have this because the jet stream is weaker, and the arctic cold air can now go much furter to the south - of course it means that the north is also warmer).

It is not that simple with colder winters and Arctic. Summary of various models was given at http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6224/818.summary
(requires a subscription or a visit to a local library)

[Kerry Liles]

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This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.

As of today there are over 500 views of this thread and only 22 votes and 12 replies (not counting this reply...)
I think we can now have a poll about the value of polls... wait, perhaps that would be just as meaningless.

[Kevin Pacey]

Re: Global climate change

As of today there are over 500 views of this thread and only 22 votes and 12 replies (not counting this reply...)
I think we can now have a poll about the value of polls... wait, perhaps that would be just as meaningless.

Some polls on chesstalk get a better response rate than others. Do you have anything positive to say for a change, Kerry?