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    This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.
    28
    manmade
    35.71%
    10
    manmade, leading deniers are mostly insincere
    25.00%
    7
    manmade, leading deniers are mostly sincere
    7.14%
    2
    happening, but not manmade
    7.14%
    2
    not happening
    0.00%
    0
    not happening, no hoax to benefit many involved
    0.00%
    0
    not happening, hoax to benefit many involved
    21.43%
    6
    something I'm not at all sure is happening
    3.57%
    1
    Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
    Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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    Re: Global climate change

    Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
    This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.
    Am I the only one who noticed that it used to be called GLOBAL WARMING until that proved to be "An Inconvenient Truth" and then the name changed to Climate Change?

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    • #3
      Re: Global climate change

      Originally posted by J. Ken MacDonald View Post
      Am I the only one who noticed that it used to be called GLOBAL WARMING until that proved to be "An Inconvenient Truth" and then the name changed to Climate Change?
      The term "Climate Change" was adopted by some over a decade ago by those who thought it a better term than "Global Warming". But for all practical purposes, it is the same.

      The greenhouse effect causes the planet to heat up, "Global Warming". This in turn causes "Climate Change".

      Global Warming/Climate Change is indeed "an inconvenient truth" as we need to change our ways. Assuming we can do anything we want and Mother Earth will provide us with a habitable environment is naive.
      Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Wednesday, 4th March, 2015, 11:36 AM.

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      • #4
        Re: Global climate change

        Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
        This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.
        Because as we all know our opinions count more than reality...

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        • #5
          Re : Global climate change

          Originally posted by J. Ken MacDonald View Post
          Am I the only one who noticed that it used to be called GLOBAL WARMING until that proved to be "An Inconvenient Truth" and then the name changed to Climate Change?
          It is not an « inconvenient thruth » at all.

          Scientificaly, not only there is little doubt that there is a global warming, but the question is how to manage the now unavoidable climate change that it is provoking. There is now very few credible climatologists worldwide not recognizing man-made global warming, and good chance to find anything published by them in the past 5 years in a peer-reviewed publication. Not because they are muzzled, but because the evidence are extremely strong.

          Many people don't understand that global warming can have many apparently counter intuitive effects, like having a colder Winter (we have this because the jet stream is weaker, and the arctic cold air can now go much furter to the south - of course it means that the north is also warmer).

          For example, many people present as evidence that there is no global warming the fact that the sea-ice cover around Antarctica have increased recently, something that was missed by most models. But the fact is that there is more ice because it is melting, and most models underestmated at which speed the continental ice would move into the ocean. A similar process is happening with Groenland, tough the main models here got much closer to the measured data.

          One thing that is often forgoten, is that most of the heat is not absorbed by the air, but by the water and the ice. The air can only absorb a small part of this energy. Also the melting of so much ice put a temporary presure to cool the oceans water. Finally, considering that the sun is exceptionaly quiet and colder than usual for at least 2 solar cycles, there must be an explanation why all those glaciers are now melting so quickly.

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          • #6
            Re: Re : Global climate change

            Originally posted by Simon Valiquette View Post
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            Many people don't understand that global warming can have many apparently counter intuitive effects, like having a colder Winter (we have this because the jet stream is weaker, and the arctic cold air can now go much furter to the south - of course it means that the north is also warmer).
            If the jet stream is so easy to predict without taking into consideration El Nino and the upper air systems then the scientists could get rich with Orange Juice futures. So simple is predicting the weather.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • #7
              Re: Re : Global climate change

              Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
              If the jet stream is so easy to predict without taking into consideration El Nino and the upper air systems then the scientists could get rich with Orange Juice futures. So simple is predicting the weather.
              Well, I could have told Simon that mere facts and science won't change any minds in here. Gary was told that climate and weather are two different things years ago, but has yet to grasp this simple concept.

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              • #8
                Re: Re : Global climate change

                Bumping up this poll at least one more time, to try to get more votes registered. Folks have had a long time to form an opinion on this topic, based on what they've read or heard, and I thought there might be more interest in giving some input without putting oneself at risk of any of the written flak involved by making a post in a climate thread.
                Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
                Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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                • #9
                  Re: Re : Global climate change

                  Could we get a poll on gravity next please? I've felt a little heavier over the course of the past 6 months, and my scale is confirming it. Pretty sure 'Big Scale' is behind the gravity scam. After all, it's 'only a theory' right? ;)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re : Global climate change

                    Fwiw, below is a wikipedia entry (circa 2012) showing belief in climate change as a percentage, in various nations (the CBC, circa 2011, has a higher percantage of Canadians as believers [80%!], whereas they, like the wikipedia results a year later, have Americans at about 50%). Since we're on chesstalk, my poll here may take in a higher percantage of skeptical-by-nature Canadians, with many of us perhaps being such, as chessplayers.

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate...ion_by_country
                    Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
                    Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re : Global climate change

                      That very well could be! I'd lean towards it not happening to the extent people think (of course it's going to happen somewhat!) and is all a hoax. Sadly many of these things are a hoax, especially if they involved war.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Re : Global climate change

                        Originally posted by Caleb Petersen View Post
                        That very well could be! I'd lean towards it not happening to the extent people think (of course it's going to happen somewhat!) and is all a hoax. Sadly many of these things are a hoax, especially if they involved war.
                        Caleb, not everything is a conspiracy or hoax. Sure, they do exist, but sometimes if it "looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it is a duck!" More evidence of global warming / climate change:
                        http://time.com/3656646/2014-hottest-year/

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                        • #13
                          Re: Re : Global climate change

                          Originally posted by Simon Valiquette View Post
                          Many people don't understand that global warming can have many apparently counter intuitive effects, like having a colder Winter (we have this because the jet stream is weaker, and the arctic cold air can now go much furter to the south - of course it means that the north is also warmer).
                          It is not that simple with colder winters and Arctic. Summary of various models was given at http://www.sciencemag.org/content/347/6224/818.summary
                          (requires a subscription or a visit to a local library)

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                          • #14
                            Re: Global climate change

                            Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
                            This is a poll designed to see how respondents feel about the notion of global climate change occuring at present.
                            As of today there are over 500 views of this thread and only 22 votes and 12 replies (not counting this reply...)
                            I think we can now have a poll about the value of polls... wait, perhaps that would be just as meaningless.
                            ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Global climate change

                              Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
                              As of today there are over 500 views of this thread and only 22 votes and 12 replies (not counting this reply...)
                              I think we can now have a poll about the value of polls... wait, perhaps that would be just as meaningless.
                              Some polls on chesstalk get a better response rate than others. Do you have anything positive to say for a change, Kerry?
                              Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
                              Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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