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  • #91
    Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

    The Swiss system is designed to produce a winner. It is unfair to all others: some will get more blacks, some will play more of the highest rated players.

    Also kids ratings are very unstable. Given some free time and a coach their strength is always higher than their rating.

    As there are not many FIDE rated events the CFC or FQE or CMA rating is more accurate. But in publishing on the Chess Results website FIDE ratings only, not the ratings used for pairings.

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    • #92
      Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

      Originally posted by Anish Nyayachavadi View Post
      Paul anytime you post this is the only response you'll be getting."I see you haven't been introduced to mr. Bonham. You can't expect anything remotely related to common sense from him. "

      I know you are, but what am I? :D
      Only the rushing is heard...
      Onward flies the bird.

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      • #93
        Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

        Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post
        I know you are, but what am I? :D
        A grown man slinging grade school dissses at a 15 year old.

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        • #94
          Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

          Originally posted by Erik Malmsten View Post
          It does seem so hard to say sorry, I made a mistake, but nobody is perfect. There was much chaos before the event. Vlad is a great organizer donating 1,000s of hours.
          It seems to me that «great organizing» and «chaos before (or during) an event» cannot go together. «Chaos» is synonymous with poor organizing.

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          • #95
            Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

            Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
            Playing up was on the agenda in 2012 and both I and Aris argued against allowing playing up but having lost the argument applied the decision of the then governors.
            Can you point to that agenda. I really do not recall that there was a motion regarding "playing up" in 2012. (Though I recall the Aris' question in a general forum about it, and the Patrick's reply http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/sh...alifiers/page7 ).
            Search does not give any definitive answer.
            Meeting agendas:
            2012 January meeting at http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/sh...-IS-NOW-CLOSED
            2012 April http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/showthread.php?2402
            2012 Outgoing http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/showthread.php?2641
            2012 Incoming http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/showthread.php?2643
            2012 August (mainly budget) http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/showthread.php?2799
            2012 October http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/showthread.php?2947

            You are supposed to wait five years before bringing up substantially the same matter according to the NFP act.
            imho, the NFP act should start a new start. As it is invalidated the Handbook (per our discussion on the Governor's forum http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/sh...andbook-status (the link valid only for Governors')

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            • #96
              Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

              Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
              It seems to me that «great organizing» and «chaos before (or during) an event» cannot go together. «Chaos» is synonymous with poor organizing.
              Well this is the CFC after all. When the president is more focused on using Croatian swear words, referencing Taylor Swift and diversion than actually responding to the people that keep the CFC running (thorough membership fees), I think that speaks volumes on his character, credibility and integrity.
              Last edited by Anish Nyayachavadi; Wednesday, 5th August, 2015, 10:56 PM.

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              • #97
                Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                The people that keep the CFC running are the organizers who hold the tournaments and to a lesser extent the players and parents of players who take time from their busy schedules to participate in tournaments.

                I have used no Croatian swear words though obviously the point of the aphorism is lost on those who are not self-aware.

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                • #98
                  Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                  Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
                  I have used no Croatian swear words though obviously the point of the aphorism is lost on those who are not self-aware.
                  You mean like your blind eye to the requests for changes to a process that is flawed (as demonstrated here with the support of many here). Maybe you should practice what you preach because clearly maybe your unaware of whats going on.

                  The people that keep the CFC running are the organizers who hold the tournaments and to a lesser extent the players and parents of players who take time from their busy schedules to participate in tournaments.
                  Without players, there would be no tournaments for organizers to organize.

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                  • #99
                    Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                    Originally posted by Anish Nyayachavadi View Post
                    Without players, there would be no tournaments for organizers to organize.
                    Without organizers, there would be no tournaments for players to attend.
                    What's your point!

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                    • Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                      It's a symbiotic relationship. We need both in order for chess to be played. When the players are having issues at least tell them your going to create procedures from the CFC's end to fix the problem. Also organizer's should have a policy regarding on what to do and what procedures to follow when a player elects/requests to play up.

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                      • Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                        Originally posted by Anish Nyayachavadi View Post
                        You mean like your blind eye to the requests for changes to a process that is flawed (as demonstrated here with the support of many here). Maybe you should practice what you preach because clearly maybe your unaware of whats going on.
                        I have seen exactly two players out of almost two hundred and ninety complain about something that happened in a section that they were not playing in. I pretty much expected these types of situations to arise out of the decision to allow playing up. This situation was addressed some three years ago by the then governors in a way that I disagree with and I live with the resolution arrived at then. FIDE seems to encourage the action taken with their own rules on playing up. Democracy at work in the CFC.

                        Addressing this situation is not a priority for me nor any of the voting members since they don't seem to be interested. The notion that the solution is to regulate every aspect of some particular tournament is what has put us in the current situation where where have trouble getting people to organize even our flagship tournaments. The abuse heaped on organizers on these threads is not helpful in encouraging the Windsor organizers or any other organizers to step forward and risk losing tens of thousands of dollars only to receive abuse by ignorant people.

                        Without players, there would be no tournaments for organizers to organize.
                        That doesn't give you the right to abuse instructors, organizers, arbiters and tournament directors, or CFC presidents. You've actually done me a huge favour because you and your membership have certainly been a disproportionate drain on my time as a CFC President (not to mention our rating auditor and FIDE rep) between the complaints about the USCF rating adjustment, the lack of FIDE rating of one game that happened in a different country and the countless phone conversations that I had with your father over the last two years. No more cutting to the head of the line. You can go through the regular channels from now on. I won't be involved any more.
                        Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Thursday, 6th August, 2015, 02:26 PM.

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                        • Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                          Maybe your ignorant to the fact that the players your citing (me and another) have said before we have no objections to anyone playing up, we wanted procedures to be implemented next year that prevent these issues from happening, regarding prior notice.

                          No abuse has been intended toward anyone. Questions were clearly asked about those aforementioned issues and you and my father had good dialogue in regards to those issues handled with dignity and class on both ends. I could go into a war seeing who can pull up more dirty laundry, but I guess as a 15 year old I have more class not to do so vs. a grown adult.

                          When a simple question was asked about creating guidelines to prevent further situations like this from happening you come up with this? Impressive, what's next?

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                          • Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                            Asserting that prior notice is an issue does not make it one. You are welcome to find a voting member to take up this cause, draft a motion and get it on the agenda in a timely manner for a vote at next year's AGM. It won't be me.

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                            • Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                              Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post
                              Asserting that prior notice is an issue does not make it one. You are welcome to find a voting member to take up this cause, draft a motion and get it on the agenda in a timely manner for a vote at next year's AGM. It won't be me.
                              Tell us one thing: does it really require a Governors' motion to set rules for the CYCC these days? It did not require a Governors' motion to change Canadian Closed tie-breaks (they are carved in the Handbook without any provision to have anything else but matches)

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                              • Re: Official protest to the CYCC organizers

                                Originally posted by Anish Nyayachavadi View Post
                                It's a symbiotic relationship. We need both in order for chess to be played. When the players are having issues at least tell them your going to create procedures from the CFC's end to fix the problem. Also organizer's should have a policy regarding on what to do and what procedures to follow when a player elects/requests to play up.
                                Thank you Anish. I can certainly agree with all your points, diplomatically stated.
                                Would you be willing to concede that the title of the other thread "2015 CYCC Pairing Manipulation" was somewhat less diplomatic? which only escalated the tension. Entertaining yes, but not productive.

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