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  • #76
    Re: a critique of critical criticism

    Hi Nigel

    Anyone can google the search phrase: "are canadian university students being indoctrinated by left wing professors" and have ample relevant links to newspaper articles and a variety of other sources (including the odd book) which answer the search phrase with a basic 'yes'. It seems there could easily be a battle of the sources launched, if one wishes (although I tried searching a little for possible right wing indoctrination links, only a few times did I come across references to attempts to battle perceived left wing indoctrination). I somehow doubt either of us wants to rush to a library based on a minor argument, in the hope of finding an obscure book, that might have an honest review of an author's political leanings, when there are abundant links available on the internet, the sheer weight of which may count for something. Including wikipedia, which is commonly believed to be left-leaning, as I said earlier, and that it actually supports me to some extent in a couple of entries anyway.

    I'm still inclined to believe that in any left vs. right battle for the hearts and minds of students on Canadian campuses, the left is continuing to prevail on the whole. My original reason for taking my view (that heavy left wing indoctrination might be going on) was based on an admittedly conservative local radio station here in Ottawa occasionally alluding to the predominance of left wing professors and student unions across Canada, with special reference to Ottawa campuses. There was the radio hosts' talk of pro-life or pro-Isreal, or even mildly right wing, speakers not being allowed to speak by administrators on certain Canadian campuses. My internet searches later only reinforced this view, on the whole. The fact that so many students seemed to have their minds warped far left rather than warped right to any extent during their student days points to leftist indoctrination by somebody, whether by faculty, student unions or both.
    Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Sunday, 6th September, 2015, 10:52 PM. Reason: Grammar
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    • #77
      police state tactics in (US) academia - coming to a university near you?

      In the US academia, the Wikileaks revelations of government turpitude and malevolence have been effectively banned from publication. So this silencing of dissent is going on across the board, and not just in Canada.

      Here’s What Happened When Cynthia McKinney Tried to Use WikiLeaks Information in Her Dissertation Talk about a police state. Even the universities are in on it, and I don't mean in the diversionary sense of left-wing "brainwashing" of students; I mean the heavy handed police state tactics ... of academia. Facepalm.
      Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Wednesday, 9th September, 2015, 07:43 PM. Reason: turpitude
      Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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      • #78
        Re: police state tactics in (US) academia - coming to a university near you?

        Hi Niigel

        Last I heard, US President Obama is a left wing socialist, and the left are at times described by the right as encouraging tolerance... except if one disagrees with their beliefs. However George W. Bush's regime paved the way for Obama with lots of constitutionally suspect Executive Orders, etc., so it seems we live in extreme times where in the US, at least, both the political left and right can behave badly, and often in the same way, policy-wise. Why might that be? Who knows for sure, but here's a link that might entertain you and other chesstalk viewers, concerning the idea of a shadow government:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow...t_(conspiracy)
        Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
        Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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        • #79
          Re: police state tactics in (US) academia - coming to a university near you?

          heh. The Americans punish themselves by ridiculously long campaigns.

          Whoops. So do we.
          Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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          • #80
            Re: police state tactics in (US) academia - coming to a university near you?

            Before voting, take a look at this video from Doctors without borders.



            The transpacific bullshit is NOT a free trade agreement, it is a complete rewriting of multiple Canadian Laws. The new pharmaceutical patent provision of the TPP will cause a price hike for prescription drugs. After that, many persons will no longer be able to afford basic medications. The TPP will cause deaths, thousandths of deaths.

            The TPP will also allows foreign corporations to decide what can be on our web sites. They will be granted the power to close a web site without a court order.

            Corporations have already to much power under NAFTA, they are suing us for 250 millions http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/otta...-ban-1.1140918 . Corporations should obey all local laws. The Transpacific bullshit will grant Corporations the power to challenge in front of secret tribunals any law that obstruct profit. This is off course completely ridiculous. We will lose the power to protect our environment. Do you now that a cigarette maker did open in Australian only to sure that Australian Government for the plain pack law? The TPP is so badly worded, if it has not changed, that corporations could sue us if we increase the income tax or the GST.

            Corporations have spend more then 300 millions in lobbying for the TPP, do you believe that they are stupid or the there will be a return on this investment coming from our pockets?

            The transpacific bullshit is the latest installment of the Corporations are greater than Sovereign States philosophy. We must vote to save lives and keep our sovereignty. Remember that both Conservatives and Liberals favor this horrible deal.

            I am not against free trade when we do not sell Canada to corporations as part of the deal. The TPP is a licence to pollute for all foreign corporations. You will see foreign corporations coming here in bad faith for the sole purpose of challenging our laws. We can still stop that by voting for the non ratification of the TPP.

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            • #81
              The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benefit".

              Originally posted by Pierre Denommee View Post
              The transpacific bullshit is NOT a free trade agreement, it is a complete rewriting of multiple Canadian Laws. The new pharmaceutical patent provision of the TPP will cause a price hike for prescription drugs. After that, many persons will no longer be able to afford basic medications. The TPP will cause deaths, thousandths of deaths.

              The TPP will also allows foreign corporations to decide what can be on our web sites. They will be granted the power to close a web site without a court order.

              Corporations have already to much power under NAFTA, they are suing us for 250 millions http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/otta...-ban-1.1140918 . Corporations should obey all local laws. The Transpacific bullshit will grant Corporations the power to challenge in front of secret tribunals any law that obstruct profit. This is off course completely ridiculous. We will lose the power to protect our environment. Do you now that a cigarette maker did open in Australian only to sure that Australian Government for the plain pack law? The TPP is so badly worded, if it has not changed, that corporations could sue us if we increase the income tax or the GST.

              Corporations have spend more then 300 millions in lobbying for the TPP, do you believe that they are stupid or the there will be a return on this investment coming from our pockets?

              The transpacific bullshit is the latest installment of the Corporations are greater than Sovereign States philosophy. We must vote to save lives and keep our sovereignty. Remember that both Conservatives and Liberals favor this horrible deal.

              I am not against free trade when we do not sell Canada to corporations as part of the deal. The TPP is a licence to pollute for all foreign corporations. You will see foreign corporations coming here in bad faith for the sole purpose of challenging our laws. We can still stop that by voting for the non ratification of the TPP.
              The TPP is aimed squarely at China, like an act of economic warfare by the US, by excluding that country from the agreement. If you share the myopic Sino-phobic (anti-Chinese bigotry) and Russophobic views of the US government, then you might support such an odious agreement.

              OTOH, there are a zillion reasons to oppose it. Only 5 of the twenty odd chapters actually relate to trade. It's more of a corporate rights agreement. So there are two more reasons to oppose it. Germany recently had an enormous - hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people - anti TPP demonstration. What do they know, huh?

              Japan Times: China is the "reason" the US wants the TPP
              Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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              • #82
                Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                It may be too late now for the NDP to form the government, if one wishes to oppose the TPP as they do. The Liberals are well in the lead in the latest polls, and the only hope for the NDP and anti-TPP vote may be that the Liberals do not go on to win with a majority government:

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...deral_election
                Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Monday, 12th October, 2015, 07:56 PM.
                Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
                Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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                • #83
                  Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                  Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
                  It may be too late now for the NDP to form the government, if one wishes to oppose the TPP as they do.
                  It's only too late after Oct 19. If this is important to you either way, then vote accordingly.

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                  • #84
                    Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                    Those who are rich enough to spend more then 100 millions USD per quarter in lobbying for the TTP (according to Reuter) are rich enough to purchase a survey. According to the last election survey, there should have been no NDP orange wave in Quebec. Do not believe in pools, they are not always accurate and they may have been bought by special interest groups. Just vote to get rid of the TPP, this is thing only thing can we can do to stop the TPP. The NDP could still have a majority.

                    Originally posted by Garland Best View Post
                    It's only too late after Oct 19. If this is important to you either way, then vote accordingly.

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                    • #85
                      Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                      Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
                      OTOH, there are a zillion reasons to oppose it. Only 5 of the twenty odd chapters actually relate to trade. It's more of a corporate rights agreement. So there are two more reasons to oppose it. Germany recently had an enormous - hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people - anti TPP demonstration. What do they know, huh?
                      You are totally right, the TPP is about an occult charter of investors' rights that could prevent us from increasing corporate income tax and GST, protect corporations form expropriation and allow them to sue us for "obstruction to profit". If noting has changed from the leaked draft, environmental laws and treaty with First Nations could be seen as obstruction to profit.

                      With the TPP, we may have to compensate foreign corporations because we do not let them drill oil wells in Banff National Park. The fact that there is no oil there is not really relevant. They are suing us for 250 millions without any proof that there is an exploitable source of oil in the province of Quebec. They just want to drill holes everywhere without any concern for the fact that in USA, such holes have made tap water undrinkable in many locations. Oils leaks in the underwater are current when you drill.

                      A comment on Radio Canada site indicates that under TPP, Canadians who share music online could be extradited to USA to face trial there.

                      The TPP is not a free trade deal, is is a circumvention deal.

                      "That’s where these agreements are becoming particularly bad. It used to be that trade agreements were negotiated over tariffs … the consumers gained. The new agreements are about getting rid of regulations. We’re talking about regulation over the environment, safety, economy, health. The consumers, who are not at the table, get screwed.

                      Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business...#ixzz3oPiolUYj
                      Last edited by Pierre Denommee; Monday, 12th October, 2015, 11:12 PM.

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                      • #86
                        Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                        Originally posted by Garland Best View Post
                        It's only too late after Oct 19. If this is important to you either way, then vote accordingly.
                        Pending this date, we can go online on twitter, facebook... and spread the news. I don't know in Ontario, but Quebec medias are controlled by billionaires who are deliberately hiding the truth about the TPP. They mention only the economic aspects. The dark side of the TPP, the fact that we are giving away Canada to corporations for free, is never mentioned because those billionaires own multiple corporations and will benefit from TPP.

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                        • #87
                          Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                          More free trade. Hurrah. Congrats to our government for getting this trade deal done. More free trade = more prosperity.

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                          • #88
                            Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                            Originally posted by David Gordon View Post
                            More free trade. Hurrah. Congrats to our government for getting this trade deal done. More free trade = more prosperity.
                            That ideological claim is completely contradicted by the real evidence.

                            ... the impact of NAFTA on most of the people in all three countries has been devastating. The agreement has destroyed more jobs than it has created, depressed wages, worsened poverty and inequality, eroded social programs, undermined democracy, enfeebled governments, and greatly increased the rights and power of corporations, investors, and property holders. NAFTA has also been used to weaken Canada's sovereignty and promote its economic assimilation by the United States. It has led to greater pressure on Canada and Mexico to conform to U.S. foreign policy objectives ...
                            I guess if one is a noisy cheerleader for everything USian, and cares little about Canadian well being, then such deals are "good" for Canada. The current regime in Ottawa has chosen to sign a virtually secret "trade" agreement DURING an election campaign - i.e., with no mandate to do so - and surely shows their contempt for democracy generally. Canadians ought to show their contempt in return.


                            Lessons From NAFTA- The High Cost of "Free Trade
                            Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                            • #89
                              Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                              Originally posted by David Gordon View Post
                              More free trade. Hurrah. Congrats to our government for getting this trade deal done. More free trade = more prosperity.
                              The TPP has little free trade and a lot of rules circumvention. Let's reject the TPP and replace it with a REAL free trade agreement without investor protection clauses, intellectual property clauses...

                              Under the TPP, you could be extradited to USA if a friend has sent you a song that is not legal? Do you really want to allow that? We must vote to keep US laws in the USA. https://www.eff.org/fr/wp/riaa-v-peo...-years-later#3

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                              • #90
                                Re: The TPP is aimed to harm China and harm to Canadian sovereignty is another "benef

                                um policyalternatives.ca?

                                find a real think tank.
                                Thanks.

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