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I think Trump has the potential to be a disaster as president (as do a lot of people, obviously). I think Clinton has the potential to be a good president but it's difficult to feel sorry for her in her present predicament. The vast majority of the negativity and suspicion that has been directed her way relates to her email server decision(s) while she was secretary of state. This was entirely her own doing. Hubris? I think so.
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
I think Trump has the potential to be a disaster as president (as do a lot of people, obviously). I think Clinton has the potential to be a good president but it's difficult to feel sorry for her in her present predicament. The vast majority of the negativity and suspicion that has been directed her way relates to her email server decision(s) while she was secretary of state. This was entirely her own doing. Hubris? I think so.
Even bigger than the email scandal is the pay to play problems with the Clinton Foundation and the State Department. Also the pathological lying by her and her staff and the refusal of the Justice Department to take the investigation seriously.
A more important point to ponder is who is the worst sociopath. The points below in the most recent news about Hillary put the very essence of American Democracy in question.
Here is Real Clear Politics quoting Fox News. The last time this happened where a sitting president was indicted was Richard Nixon elected by a massive landslide of 49(!) states., he lasted 18 months.
Fox News Channel's Bret Baier reports the latest news about the Clinton Foundation investigation from two sources inside the FBI. He reveals five important new pieces of information in these two short clips:
1. The Clinton Foundation investigation is far more expansive than anybody has reported so far and has been going on for more than a year.
2. The laptops of Clinton aides Cherryl Mills and Heather Samuelson have not been destroyed, and agents are currently combing through them. The investigation has interviewed several people twice, and plans to interview some for a third time.
3. Agents have found emails believed to have originated on Hillary Clinton's secret server on Anthony Weiner's laptop. They say the emails are not duplicates and could potentially be classified in nature.
I can actually see how this could have happened innocently but it seems more likely to me that Weiner once given access to his wife's Apple account set it up as an insurance policy to help him with his own legal problems. It appears that Hillary routinely forwarded things to her assistant to print for her. It is quite possible that this treasure trove will be what sends Hillary to the big house and we are not talking White House.
4. Sources within the FBI have told him that an indictment is "likely" in the case of pay-for-play at the Clinton Foundation, "barring some obstruction in some way" from the Justice Department.
5. FBI sources say with 99% accuracy that Hillary Clinton's server has been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that information had been taken from it.
This whole situation has echoes of the movies. "Revenge of the Nerds" and "She-devil"with Weiner playing the part of Booger and Rosanne Barr's character in the second movie.
I suppose next you'll be telling us that Ronald Reagan was a communist. :)
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
I suppose next you'll be telling us that Ronald Reagan was a communist. :)
I think Tom's statement is backed up by historical fact. Namely one of the actions taken during World War 2 was the incarceration of tens of thousands of Japanese cities and the confiscation of their assets for no other reason then their ethnic heritage. When a government unjustly turns against it's own citizens on the basis of generalizations this constitutes a fascist like mentality.
So loosely speaking, does Trump have the economic policies/ideas of Hoover and the social policies/ideas of FDR ? Trump turned on all Muslims regardless of their status in the US. Looking at history, he does have some similarities to Mussolini, and usually the negatives of such leaders don't become fully apparent until they get some power. So far, Trump has only had power over his employees and impact on his investors. His employees in Atlantic City got a raw deal, and his investors and creditors on many projects didn't do well. So beyond his reality TV franchise, what has he really done well ? He's created an image and sold it for licensing rights. That's how he made millions off Trump Tower in Toronto while investors lost huge wads of money.
If he wins, well, the US will get what they asked for, and we'll see what that is. He lies so much that it's hard to know what he really intends on getting done.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Friday, 4th November, 2016, 12:05 AM.
Trump's company still "manages" the property, they licensed the name to the property, and were involved in marketing the project to some degree. Trump has been named as a defendant in the civil suits, including a recent one that was won by some of the owners of the condos/rooms in the hotel.
The lesson here is if you encounter a business project involving Trump of any kind ( whether it be a hotel condo, Trump university, or his Atlantic City casinos ), run away from it. Is this a quality that makes him a good President in a country only 7 years removed from a huge financial crisis ? Trump actually said he'd "negotiate" or refuse to honor some of the US Federal Debt; of course he hadn't thought about the consequences of that at all. Best case scenario is 90% of his threats are pure bs to get elected.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Friday, 4th November, 2016, 01:07 AM.
What drives me crazy is that all politicians and pundits always tell you they are winning, even when the exact opposite is obvious. I would love to someday hear a politician or pundit come out and say clearly, "yes, we are losing". They could then go on and argue their case as to why they are the better candidate, but the honesty would be refreshing.
If you look at the current polls this morning, and you believe in momentum, Trump will win.
Clinton needs to win battle ground states Colorado and New Hampshire, and fend off attacks in blue states like Michigan and Pennsylvania. On the current trajectory, this all looks unlikely.
Of course, Trump will likely lose if he goes on another rant. If he can just hold it together for another few days, he wins.
OMG, look how low we have set the bar for him.
May God have mercy on the USA.
Bob, you've written about what drives you crazy, and yes, honesty from politicians is refreshing as we saw with Bernie Sanders, who always acknowledged his standing in the race against Clinton.
But there is something that should be driving us all even more crazy, and it has to do with the voters rather than the politicians. It's something very different and much more sinister: it is when masses of voters start getting behind someone because, they say, we need "strong leadership".
Strong leadership is a euphemism for dictatorship. And even worse, the one component of strong leadership that the masses seem to like the most is the making of instant, snap decisions. To make such snap decisions is to have preconceived notions about everything, many times without any real thought or analysis. In other words, to have an unalterable bias along with a closed mind.
One could say that George W. Bush exhibited strong leadership by going into Iraq with the U.S. military. That was a decision based on hurried and unsubstantiated reports that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction almost ready to be used. The decision was made easier by the American blood thirst after 9/11. But in retrospect, it was obviously the wrong decision, a purely tactical move made with no long term strategy in mind and no idea of what the repurcussions could be.
We do have Trump on video and audio from that time saying that he approved of that decision. Yet today he says "Wrong" when Clinton brings it up. And the masses of Trump supporters hooked on the "strong leadership" Koolaid just blithely ignore the truth and remain cocooned in their make-believe world where all of Trump's snap decisions are correct and WERE correct. Anything Trump did in the past was, to his supporters, part of his "strong leadership" and was thereby correct: his 4 business bankruptcies that shafted thousands of American small businesses and individuals, the Trump University fiasco, the constant degrading and objectifying of women, the racism, financial dealings with criminals and with Russia.....
"Strong leadership" needs to be brought down several notches in esteem. What is really needed is wise leadership. If a snap decision must be made, fine, make it, but if there is time to think the matter over, to study the problem and find the best solution through concensus or research, then do THAT instead. This is something I think will be part of Obama's legacy, although let's remember that Obama also came into power with proclamations of dramatic changes coming, and found like all new Presidents do that there is only so much a President of the United States can do.... and we should all be glad of that, because if Trump is elected, we are going to need as many limitations on his power as we can get.
If Trump is elected, any survivors will in years to come look back on a very sharp contrast.... between the wise leadership phase of Obama, where almost every decision was made after considerable thought and analysis and America pulled itself out of a deep recession caused by lack of regulation and oversight thanks to the previous 8 years of Republican administration..... and the strong leadership phase of Trump, where quick and uninformed decisions were made that tore asunder every pillar of American greatness, all ironically in the name of "Make America Great Again"...... survivors will recall Clinton's campaign response that "America is already great" and how that simple, basic, fundamental truth was overcome by a hysteria for strong leadership.....
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
Your kind Paul Bonham, the socialistic kind of thug along with your snout-in-the-trough masses, the pay-for-play Clinton extending Obama's what-is-yours-is-mine kind ... thank your lucky stars you were born in America built by strong business leadership for you to even try to manipulate!
Tax and tax and tax even higher!
And it's so very sad to see how Democrats have corrupted everything that was great about America's government. Poisoned the Department of Justice, poisoned the Department of State, and even tried in vain to corrupt the FBI.
Let it go!!! STOP ... please stop.
America was built by strong business leadership ... period!
Bob, you've written about what drives you crazy, and yes, honesty from politicians is refreshing as we saw with Bernie Sanders, who always acknowledged his standing in the race against Clinton.
Thanks Paul, I enjoyed reading your post. You make many good points.
It would have been enjoyed better a classic left vs. right match up: Sanders vs. Trump.
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