The One and Only Climate Change thread...

[Paul Beckwith]

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You just made my morning; I laughed so hard I almost spilled my coffee. The triumvirate of climate denial bots (aka denialbots) is super funny funny humor with SNR = 0

[Paul Bonham]

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Anyone (like Vlad) can find links to this stuff and post them to try to trick people into thinking that knowledge (thought) is behind the post; unlike Vlad I understand this stuff as Fred does (aside: I worked for Ontario Hydro for a summer job in 3rd year university working on fortran code simulating bidirectional fueling, cadmium control rod cooling, and boron injection shut-down systems for Candu reactor systems, and simulating LOCA (loss of coolant accidents)...cadmium and boron have high neutron cross sections and thus scavenge the slow neutrons taking the reactor sub-critical...

Vlad, the more you post the sillier you look...please stop making stuff up...HTH...

Paul, are you ever going to stop ad hominen attacks on Vlad and just stick to your agenda? Which is, apparently, to advertise your credentials and try getting everyone to think that you are some sort of eminent scientist.

Your efforts to become an eminent scientist may be creditable, but why go overboard with broadcasting it? When you've written an original paper or two that puts forth some new idea(s), then you've done something. Until then, you're just another student, which as I say, is creditable... and nothing more. So just ease off with the self-promotion. Believe it or not, I'm trying to give you good advice. You have severely damaged yourself in this thread, even if your aims are altruistic (which even when you claim it, comes across as bs).

I'm sorry to tell you that I personally have learned more from Vlad than from you on this thread. I've learned that AGW is as much a political movement as it is a scientific theory. It frustrates you that Vlad is exposing this part of it. Your frustration is coming through in spades.

I remember when you started posting on this topic and I posted back, warning you that there was this person Vlad who would be directly challenging your assertions. I actually thought then that Vlad would be the hothead and you would be the calm cool dispenser of scientific information. It turned out the opposite. You are looking quite the fool with your Facebook stalking of Vlad and your constant denigration of his education.

Quite a while back, you criticized my attacks on Jean Hebert, and asked what I was trying to accomplish (when it should have been obvious), yet here you are doing crap I wouldn't touch. Not once did I Google information on Jean Hebert's background to try and discredit him as a person. I very effectively used his own arguments against him, and that is the true method of debating. I may have called him a name or two along the way, but hey, nobody's perfect.

One last thing: I've worked at several Fortune 500 corporations in the U.S. (Microsoft, Banta Corp., Thompson Financial, Northrup Grumman to name a few), and I've been part of their dealings with university undergraduate and graduate interns. When you write you "worked on" Fortran software as a 3rd year university student at Ontario Hydro, and then you list what the software did, I can assure readers that you had NOTHING TO DO with the workings of that software. Most likely you ran some automated or manual tests. If Ontario Hydro actually had you modifying that software in any way, please readers, sell your Ontario Hydro bonds immediately and move away from the power plant!!! Don't be fooled into thinking Paul Beckwith was some sort of genius or prodigy, as he so "transparently" implies. He was a student intern, nothing more. Did he learn how the software works? Perhaps... big whoopdee doo. If and when he can claim his name to a patent (as I can -- and no, Bob Gillanders, it isn't Cornerstone, LOL!), then we can give him some credit.

I personally give Vlad credit for avoiding tit-for-tat ad hominen attacks and for being able to basically refute pretty much everything that has been thrown his way. That doesn't mean I totally accept his viewpoint. I do think that if you strip away all the political overtones, all the emotional rhetoric, AGW is valid. But there is little or nothing to be done about it. So why even have this thread.... well, because Mr. Beckwith wants it, and not because he wants to save any of your asses.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Climate progress is a site controlled by the same people who gave us climategate or at least were revealed in all their glory by the leaking of those emails. How is that search for the real criminals coming along?

Who do you think is more influential, climate progress or Fox News? I would guess Fox News if you look at the ratings. They are pounding CNN, MSNBC and all the other liberal media collectively by a pretty good margin. In part, this is because no one trusts the liberal media to tell the real story on important issues like climate change and the failings of liberal politicians and their policies. It took the mainstream media weeks to acknowledge the significance of the climategate scandal. Most people don't want their truth filtered through the biased liberal media.

What do you have to say about the environmental devastation in Mongolia as a result of "clean" wind energy?

[Paul Beckwith]

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Vlad, there is an article on you here. Your "climategate" obsession is on the list...

http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/3...ess%29&utm_sou

[Vlad Drkulec]

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I came across a reference the other day to this issue related to wind power:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...ous-scale.html

(the article is dated 29th January 2011)

Sometimes there are non-obvious consequences to some actions/activities...

I knew there were more hidden costs associated with wind power beyond the obvious ones. As Paul Bonham reminds us, there is no such thing as a free lunch. I am surprised that it took this long for the story to finally emerge. Where is Elizabeth May on this issue? Is the green party really green? If they are, they should be coming out against wind turbines.

[Gary Ruben]

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Shortages could occur for chips, solar panels, Toyotas, iPad 2s, etc. due to the Japan quake...

This thread has become too long for my old computer and slows it. Some kind of scripting error. Failing a new thread, I probably won't be adding my comments as often.

Gary - I know a lot of great stuff...

[Paul Beckwith]

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Shortages could occur for chips, solar panels, Toyotas, iPad 2s, etc. due to the Japan quake...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo

[Kerry Liles]

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It is interesting that environmental standards and assessments for wind turbines seem to be much more relaxed than for other types of power generation facilities.

Vladimir Drkulec

I came across a reference the other day to this issue related to wind power:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/mosl...ous-scale.html

(the article is dated 29th January 2011)

Sometimes there are non-obvious consequences to some actions/activities...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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It is interesting that environmental standards and assessments for wind turbines seem to be much more relaxed than for other types of power generation facilities.

Vladimir Drkulec

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Animal lovers should not watch this video as it is pretty graphic. The victim of the windmill is a vulture... which I believe may be an endangered species.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na6HxKQQsAM

[Paul Beckwith]

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Harvard study on true costs of coal including externalities...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-c...998,b=facebook

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Vlad is not expected to know this because he has taken business courses (without getting the degree).

You sound really creepy the way you are stalking me. Making a claim that I did not receive a degree absent any evidence is defamatory. I suggest you cease and desist immediately. It is par for the course and what can be expected from the climate extremists. We all saw what they did in the release of the climategate emails. I don't expect that you would exhibit any different behaviour.

If you would like to make a little wager on whether I received a degree or not perhaps we could arrange something along the lines that if I never received a degree then I never post on this thread again. If you'd like we could even extend the ban to me never posting on chess talk again if I lose the wager. Similarly if I did receive at least one or more degrees then you will never again post off topic (not involving chess) on Chesstalk effectively ending your participation in this thread or any other which is not related to chess.

If you don't take that wager then you are gutless :p or else you knew all along that you were lying :o but then that is par for the course for you global warming extremists. You and your "climate scientists" and politicians involved in profiting from green technology have a long history of lying for the cause and using dirty tricks to discredit your opponents. I have to tell you that it is catching up to you. Its one reason why most people don't believe in you and don't care about your cause.

Now as to where this is coming from,... you experienced a lot of pain when you washed out and didn't finish your doctoral degree and now you are lashing out and projecting your own experience onto me. Is that what this is all about? :D

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Vlad, you are no longer interested in the Tunnel Duty Free Shop? You removed it from your facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/haleyraedanc...00000642763696

Why don't you friend my page; some of my friends (like me) would be very amused with ripping your nonsense to shreds...

No, Paul, my pocket stalker, I am no longer interested in the Tunnel Duty Free Shop. Do you have a problem with that?

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Originally Posted by Vlad Drkulec
And yet the consumer price index for Canada hasn't been anywhere near 5% in any of the years since then and in fact has been below 2% over most of that period.

I believe it's the cost of capital financing, not CPI, that is the important figure here. Quite a bit more than 2%

The cost of financing is not the correct number to use in determining the present day cost after inflation of a nuclear power station. The correct method is a discounted cash flow model (net present value) where the discount rate is the marginal after tax cost of capital.

Pardon me, if I colour you as just another person with an axe to grind who plays fast and loose with his figures just like Paul.

I have no axe to grind

The assumptions made over financing are not that nebulous. You use the discount rate that matches your marginal cost of capital.

And you can predict the cost of financing these huge expenditures over the next twenty years?

Yes, because you will finance them with 20 or 25 or 30 year bonds. You match the financing to the life of the asset being financed. Since you imply intimate knowledge of the nuclear industry, you should know this. This practice is not confined to the nuclear industry. Most industry operates in the same manner.

Well your pronouncements on nuclear power are not believable (since you seem to believe that 5% compounding over 18 years leads to the same result as 1% to 2.4% compounding), show no real knowledge, and suggest to me that you treat the whole complicated debate on global warming with the same lack of rigour.

I have expessed absolutely no opinion on global warming. I asked you not to nickel and dime the figures, but no, you are incapable of that, as you are at grasping some basic fundamentals of energy and capacity units, and of project financing. Forget the compounding, the last AECL bid to Ontario was $10,800 per kw, forget the "e"

I should have remembered that it is pointless to argue with someone that has that certainty of opinion that runs on emotion rather than science.....

I will have to remember the same.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Vlad, you are no longer interested in the Tunnel Duty Free Shop? You removed it from your facebook page.

http://www.facebook.com/haleyraedanc...00000642763696

Why don't you friend my page; some of my friends (like me) would be very amused with ripping your nonsense to shreds...