The One and Only Climate Change thread...

[Paul Beckwith]

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Climate deniers are well known for repeated FOI requests for data that they have no skills to analyze. The good thing is that the scientific community is putting all of their data on line for anyone to access. Throw out all the research from CRU; and you find that every other source of research around the world reaches the same conclusions.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Your takeaway is incorrect. Do some web searching and you will find the server locations that people taking the polls used. Most voters went directly from the climate denier web site Watts up with that to the Scientific American poll. If you know anything about polls then that completely biases the results. A poll is useless without a proper sample, that is why polling companies exist.

What does HTH mean?

[Vlad Drkulec]

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The crime was stonewalling FOI act requests and faking expense accounts. The original, unadjusted data was discarded. Without that data you can throw out all the research that is based on it. Can the taxpayers of the various countries get a refund, I wonder.

[Paul Beckwith]

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More conclusive proof of climate change...
http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=2594

[Vlad Drkulec]

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My takeaway is that Scientific American didn't get the result they wanted and are upset about the fact. HTH.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Step 1) Liberals cruise to victory in wide margin
Step 2) Rescind all subsidies to fossil fuel industry; what do they need it for
Step 3) observe wailing and gnashing of teeth

[Paul Beckwith]

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Your math consists of addition, subtraction, and perhaps even more complex things like multiplication and long division.

Mine consists of numerous university courses in physics and math, statistical analysis, advanced calculus, numerical simulation, etc. etc. Would you like to see my transcripts.

Who is Michael Alexis? A comedian I guess. I like your evidence. Here is mine (at the same level as yours, so it should make an impression on you).

Absolute proof of climate change...
http://climateprogress.org/2010/02/1...n-ice-skating/

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Step 1 - Defeat Liberals in Ontario.
Step 2 - Rescind all subsidies to Green Energy projects and pay the same market rates to all producers of electricity.
Step 3 - Observe wailing and gnashing of teeth.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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I knew you couldn't do the math. 0% for you. Failure.

I like the following comment on the commented code:

Michael Alexis says:
November 25, 2009 at 9:20 am
Simplified code for CRU to use (from an average programmer with no climatology expertise):

For intYear = 1400 to 2009;
floatGlobalMeanTemerature = floatGlobalMeanTemperature + WHATEVER_THE_HELL_YOU_WANT_IT_TO_BE;
intYear++
next

Print “Holy Crap! We’re all going to die!”

That pretty much sums up the reality of the models that you depend on for your erroneous conclusions. HTH.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Kool aid. Nice reference to the Jonestown suicides; I could do a search and find you using this "talking point" in numerous posts you have previously made. You really are a parrot...I question everything, you are the one who cannot think for yourself.

Watts up with that is a well known climate denier site. Scientific American was really pissed with them recently when they did an online survey on climate change...

http://climateprogress.org/2010/11/1...c-online-poll/

Even your tea party hacks quoted the results of this poll in the recent EPA hearings in the US.

[Paul Beckwith]

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a) the author has no credibility
b) the article does say that the CRU moved the labs, changed their computers, and some raw data from the 80s was not saved, does not sound like a crime to me
c) the multiple independent panels were composed of scientists outside the field as well as polititians, lawyers, etc.
d) there is no gravy train for scientists. A lot of the work is being done by postdocs and graduate students who would make more money working full-time at Walmart or McDonalds; this gravy train idea is totally bogus, a favourite parrot line of climate change deniers like yourself
e) real scientific endeavours, were the atmospheric scientists who studied the ozone hole real scientists; a lot of them are the same people now studying climate change. So they were ok in the 1980s, but now now. Your logic is flawed.
f) The East Anglia folk were under no big conspiracy,as you repeatedly say. You even use the same jargon, mix it up a little. You do everything you can to obscure the science of climate change, you ignore the evidence, have you never deleted and email before. Illegally stonewall, every independant commision shows this did not happen. Climate change is not my cause; the climate is my area of study. Will never recover, don't you think that depends on the climate now and in the future. Climate does not care about your wacky ideas...what is HTH again...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Vlad, the author of your times article is not a squeaky clean guy, perhaps you can find something better; he has a history of bogus articles, misrepresenting scientists, the list goes on and on.

Note to chesstalk readers: always google the authors of Vlads links and you can easily see the poor quality of his references.

Since your definition of squeaky clean is to drink the kool aid offered without question, I guess he's not. You seem to be changing the subject. The data is still deleted and fudged. Interesting article on the computer code used to lend an air of respectability to the faked data.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/2...line-codified/

[Vlad Drkulec]

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The data is still deleted. You said it wasn't deleted. Did the multiple "independent" panels (who were composed of individuals who stood to profit from the gravy train) manage to undelete the data? Didn't think so. There is no truth in you.

In most real scientific endeavours most scientists are more than happy to turn over data so that other scientists can verify their results. Not so with climate scientists at East Anglia university who did everything they could to obscure their data, hide the evidence, delete emails, illegally stonewall freedom of information requests, delete evidence and obscure how they arrived at their conclusions. The phony whitewashes notwithstanding, they did huge damage to your cause, so much so that it will never recover. HTH.

[Paul Beckwith]

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More dirt on Vlads source...
Embargo breaks with PNAS and a medical journal...

http://embargowatch.wordpress.com/20...ponds-to-pnas/

Thought big bang machine could destroy earth...
http://wisdomofsolomon.com/bigbang.html

Leakes called a gullible fool in this one...
http://legendofpineridge.blogspot.co...-is-still.html
He thinks athiests are a dying breed, watch out Bonham...
http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5...vours-faithful

Times retracts article by Leakes, who tried to start an AmazonGate by just making stuff up...
http://globalwarmingisreal.com/2010/...or-the-course/

[Paul Beckwith]

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Vlad, the author of your times article is not a squeaky clean guy, perhaps you can find something better; he has a history of bogus articles, misrepresenting scientists, the list goes on and on.

Note to chesstalk readers: always google the authors of Vlads links and you can easily see the poor quality of his references.

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010...by_bogus_j.php

http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010...eake_caugh.php