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  • Ed Seedhouse
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    Re: The darn snow...

    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
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    That pendulum swing is something we have been seeing through the decades and centuries. Ice ages cometh and ice ages goeth.
    But never until now have we seen most of the stored carbon burned and placed into the atmosphere.

    Before we came along, all the forest fires were almost all caused by naturally lightning. But now that we are here most of them are caused by people lighting fires in the woods. This is an ovservable fact.

    And before we came along climate changes were caused naturally by various cycles. But now we ourselves are busy filling the atmosphere with carbon, and the result is an easily measured climate change that is dwarfing all the previous ones, and this too is just an ovservable fact.

    Gary seems to be willing to rely on science to believe in all those previous natural climate changes, but now he ignores it when the very same science informs him that what is happening now is caused by people burning fossil fuels.

    It's not the science that is suffering from the delusion here...

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Re: The darn snow...

    Originally posted by Ed Seedhouse View Post
    Climage warming predicts stronger La Ninas and stronger El Ninos. Neither happen by magic but have underlying causes.

    Weather is an oscillating cycle, like a pendulum. If you give a pendulum a stronger push to the left it swings back further to the right, as well. And that's what we see actually happening so far as weather extremes go. Greater swings at both the cold and hot ends, as we have been observing for the last few years.
    I guess they do predict stonger La Ninas and stronger El Ninos. It's called covering all the bases.

    That pendulum swing is something we have been seeing through the decades and centuries. Ice ages cometh and ice ages goeth. At that end of the day all we have is that Johnny Cash song with the chorus that goes, That lucky old sun keeps rolling round heaven all day. Or something close to that.

    Some of those counties will have to buy more snow ploughs for their runways. I don't like to see my planes sitting idle. I have shares in a couple of airline companies. Canadian, of course.

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  • Ed Seedhouse
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    Re: The darn snow...

    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    I think the kind of swings you are talking about is weather and not climate.
    Climate drives weather. As general warming proceeds weather extremes become greater on both ends of the cycle.

    This year is a la nina ocean current. This indicated the kind of weather we are seeing.
    Climage warming predicts stronger La Ninas and stronger El Ninos. Neither happen by magic but have underlying causes.

    Weather is an oscillating cycle, like a pendulum. If you give a pendulum a stronger push to the left it swings back further to the right, as well. And that's what we see actually happening so far as weather extremes go. Greater swings at both the cold and hot ends, as we have been observing for the last few years.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    Re: The darn snow...

    Originally posted by Adam Cormier View Post
    Wow that reminds me of a Fox News segment I saw, that said Climate Change(they said Global Warming) couldn't possibly be true because there was a snowstorm in Washington. Many people use the word Global Warming(I have used it as well) but the correct term is climate change because although the average temperature of Earth is increasing, the temperature in the winter will get colder as the summers get hotter and the climate zones of the world gets more and more bizarre.
    Now it's climate change. Those folks are trying to cover all the bases.

    I thought the glaciers were supposed to melt and not freeze more.

    I think the kind of swings you are talking about is weather and not climate.

    This year is a la nina ocean current. This indicated the kind of weather we are seeing.

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  • Adam Cormier
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    Re: The darn snow...

    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    I don't know about this warming stuff. There's snow in Britain and it's an inconvenience for me. The planes can't get out because of the snow and they don't have enough snow ploughs to clear the runways.

    You see, when everyone thought our airline company was going to go under, I bought shares at close to the low. I never get the bottom. Now air traffic has picked up and the Brits can't clear their runways. If it's not one thing it's another.
    Wow that reminds me of a Fox News segment I saw, that said Climate Change(they said Global Warming) couldn't possibly be true because there was a snowstorm in Washington. Many people use the word Global Warming(I have used it as well) but the correct term is climate change because although the average temperature of Earth is increasing, the temperature in the winter will get colder as the summers get hotter and the climate zones of the world gets more and more bizarre.

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  • Gary Ruben
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    The darn snow...

    I don't know about this warming stuff. There's snow in Britain and it's an inconvenience for me. The planes can't get out because of the snow and they don't have enough snow ploughs to clear the runways.

    You see, when everyone thought our airline company was going to go under, I bought shares at close to the low. I never get the bottom. Now air traffic has picked up and the Brits can't clear their runways. If it's not one thing it's another.

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  • Adam Cormier
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    Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

    Originally posted by ben daswani View Post
    you also think muse is the greatest band ever so you're kinda a dumbass but yeah \:

    ):
    Muse is the greatest band ever, in my opinion. There songs are amazing, their latest album is a bit lackluster but their older work is still fantastic. There songs have very deep meanings and they actually reflect on important issues in society. I like songs that sound good and actually have meaning or a message, unlike some of the popular music today.

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  • Ben Daswani
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    Originally posted by Adam Cormier View Post
    I prefer the Baneling song or that weird one in a different language.
    you also think muse is the greatest band ever so you're kinda a dumbass but yeah \:

    ):

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  • Paul Beckwith
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    Want some good science real-time on climate change.

    Go on twitter and look at #agu10
    American Geophysical Union meeting going on this week in San Francisco...

    (if you are tired of Rubenator and Darth Vlad for your information)...

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  • Paul Beckwith
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    Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

    Wind output from Ontario's commercial wind farms was 2.3 TWh in 2009, enough to power the City of Oshawa for two full years. Output from Ontario coal fired plants dropped to 9.8 TWh, down from 23.2 TWh in 2008, and the lowest coal plant output in 45 years.

    Ontario electrical power mix:

    Nuclear 55.2%
    Hydro 25.5%
    Gas 10.3%
    Coal 6.6%
    Wind 1.6%
    Other (biomass, solar, etc.) 0.8%

    Renewables are heading in the right direction...

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  • Adam Cormier
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    Originally posted by ben daswani View Post
    there's too much hatred up in this bitch so i'm gonna break down walls with some love:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjWWu_7MMmY

    listen to that song & cry tonnes, my friends, it's v cathartic
    I prefer the Baneling song or that weird one in a different language.

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  • Ben Daswani
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    Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

    there's too much hatred up in this bitch so i'm gonna break down walls with some love:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjWWu_7MMmY

    listen to that song & cry tonnes, my friends, it's v cathartic

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  • Adam Cormier
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    Jason, Climategate is nowhere near as devastating as you seem to feel it is. Also if you use to *believe* in Climate Science you obviously have not studied it enough(you should accept science because of facts and evidence not just believe in it).

    Climategate-Those Hacked Emails

    he has a lot of good videos on climate change, and a couple about Climategate and why the media blew it way out of proportion by making it a conspiracy theory. This is one of his videos on the topic.

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  • Ed Seedhouse
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    Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

    Originally posted by Jason Lohner View Post
    The problem with climate science is that the leading experts have been caught lying and bullying.
    The problem is that this statement by you has been proven to be wrong.


    Climategate changed all that. They were caught lying. They were caught bullying people by threatening their PhD's and the peer review process.
    No actually, they weren't. But even if they were, so what? Facts are facts, and the facts are in from multiple sources that all agree on them.

    Face it, climate scientists have zero credibility because of their own activist behavior. You can call the skeptics 'deniers' all you want... they can just respond that climate scientists aren't actual scientists... they are activists.
    That response, of course, is just a lie. You can "disprove" anything you like as long as you feel free to repeat lies freely.

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Hey Paul, I loved your rant! I think my favourite is "humbuggery malarkey piffle". I think that says it all! :D For anyone who doesn't know Paul, he really does walk the walk. He is very proud of his home energy improvements and volunteer work. Thanks Paul.

    Adam, thanks for that link to TVO. Some very interesting video. There is one with Jeff Rubin talking about the future of oil prices. He is predicting rapid oil prices, hitting $200/barrel soon. Transportation costs will rise, this will offset low labour costs in the far east, and manufacturing jobs will begin returning to North American. Interesting!

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