The One and Only Climate Change thread...

[Vlad Dobrich]

Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

Here's a way to save the bears and also make a dent in the global warming trend.
Only 1200 bears you say. Lets transport the bears to antarctica! They can feed of the penguins of which there are millions. Also this will cool antarctica as the penguins are mostly black and absorb a lot of sunlight.
Not only that, but Gary can buy shares in the airline that transports the bears and thus profit handsomely!:)

[Ed Seedhouse]

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Considering the length of Hudson Bay in miles, and it's location, I'd say your claim is mostly bullsh*t.

Gary would already know all about it if he got his news anywhere other than Fox news.

"Nosing into frigid wind (above) a polar bear sniffs for prey. About 1,200 of these majestic carnivores haunt the western edge of Canada's Hudson Bay. Here near the southernmost tip of their range, they're treading on thin ice.

Like all polar bears, those on Hudson Bay need solid ice as a platform for hunting seals and seal pups, their main prey. Yet the bay is frozen only in winter and spring, so from July to November bears must live off their fat reserves. For millennia they've coped, but climate change may be tipping the balance. "Though there's considerable variation, spring breakup is two weeks or so earlier now than it was 20 years ago," says biologist Ian Stirling of the Canadian Wildlife Service. His data show that birthrate and adult bear weight are both down about 10 percent from 1980. "If the trend continues and the ice disappears from Hudson Bay," says University of Alberta biologist Andrew Derocher, "it's pretty clear that these bears will disappear too.""

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ng...re2/index.html

But it can't be happening because Gary hasn't heard of it!

[Gary Ruben]

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The permafrost in our own north continues to melt and Iqaluit is basically sinking into the resultant mud, while the Polar bears in Hudson's bay can't find any Ice to hunt seals from and so many of them are starving.

Considering the length of Hudson Bay in miles, and it's location, I'd say your claim is mostly bullsh*t. Would you like to quantify the number of Polar bears which have starved in the past year for the reason you stated? As an example, how many Polar bears do you figure starved this past week for lack of ice?

Did you get the memo there are no longer large herds of Buffalo running across the prairies? Do you figure that was climate change?

I'll try to keep you up to date on the weather in Whale Cove. Like you say, it is in Canada and should be of great interest to this discussion. It has an airport and is on the shores of Hudson Bay. You know. The place where you claim the Polar Bears can't find ice.

[Ed Seedhouse]

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What does this prove as far as climate change is concerned??!
Absolutely nothing!

Russia nearly burned down last summer, Australia was fighting it's own massive fires in their last one, and this spring was barely managing the floods caused by much warmer air than normal carring in massive loads of water and dumping it on the land.

The permafrost in our own north continues to melt and Iqaluit is basically sinking into the resultant mud, while the Polar bears in Hudson's bay can't find any Ice to hunt seals from and so many of them are starving. Oh, and the measured mass of the polar and Greenland icecaps are hitting record lows.

But a cold spell in some Canadian city disproves global warming as far as Gary is concerned, so there's an end to it, right? No need to bother with any of those boring old scientific measurements, 'cause Gary can always find someplace where it's cold.

[Gary Ruben]

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Hi Peter, Hope all is well with you these days.

I have no idea what time scale the AGW, climate change, weather buffs are talking. It appears they mix and match. Like that picture which looks like it came from a tourist brochure.

I'm of the opinion it's all about money. Solar is heavily subsidized by governments.

There was one catastrophic event when the volcano in Iceland blew. The ash in Europe was so bad the airlines wouldn't fly through it for a couple of weeks. I also know about the snowstorms in the U.S. Every time there is such a disruption the value of my airline shares decline.

As a resident of Ontario this is costing you a lot of money.

During the recently completed municipal elections I had candidates and/or their representatives come to the door asking for my vote. I asked if they were environmentalists. All said they were. I told them I don't vote for environmentalists. When asked why I don't vote for environmentalists, my reply was that I can't afford them.

Cap and trade in the U.S. appears to be finished. The Senate did not pass the bill.

The U.S. seems to have a bit of a problem. There are new nuclear reactors coming. Their main plant, USEC INC, is still using gaseous diffusion technology to make the SWU's which fuel the light water reactors. They also buy a lot of the SWU's from Russia in the Megaton to Megawatts program which was recently renewed for a few more years. Besides being WWII technology, the biggest input cost is electricity. They need to go ahead with centrifuge technology and their main plant needs a 2 billion dollar loan guarantee to build it. The structure is on hold with only the test cascades running.

In the meantime, our taxes and high wages are driving jobs "offshore" so it will get more interesting in a few years. The main things we'll have to sell is our natural resources.

Many of the manufacturing places I used to go to do service work are not there anymore. I don't only mean the companies are gone, I mean the companies are gone and the buildings have been leveled to the ground. Some are simply being used for other purposes.

[Peter Bokhout]

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Finally I get a chance to post on this non-chess-related and unpostable topic! Today, Dec. 31, 2010 there are blizzards and snow foulups all over New York City and environs while Toronto, much farther north, only has a light snow dusting.

What does this prove as far as climate change is concerned??!

Absolutely nothing! Any scientist (or reasonable person) knows that that you cannot make long term predictions from short term events.

What is the time scale here? Months, years, decades, centuries or thousands of years?
Long term the Earth should be warming up by the existence of human beings and their vehicles alone; but more than that you really can't say!

And of course there's the chance of a catastrophic event like an asteroid collision...

[Gary Ruben]

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An article about the future of obama's climate change plans in 2011 and 2012. physorg.com is also a great resource for a lot of scientific articles.

I'm sure Obama will figure out a way to be a one term president.

In the meantime, let me give you the Dec. 31st weather forecast for Whale Cove.

Forecast Details:
Light snow during the morning will transition to snow showers during the afternoon. Dangerous wind chills may approach -25F. High 8F. Winds NW at 20 to 30 mph. Chance of snow 60%. Snowfall around one inch.

[Adam Cormier]

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http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-12-obama-weathers-backlash-climate.html

An article about the future of obama's climate change plans in 2011 and 2012. physorg.com is also a great resource for a lot of scientific articles.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Yes Gary, I noticed that too. 10 -12 degrees warmer than normal is the main point of the article.

Sometimes I feel that we butt heads over terminology; perhaps we could use this article to reach more common ground; perhaps we should discuss the contents?
http://www.scientificamerican.com/bl...rna-2010-12-20

[Gary Ruben]

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The Arctic oven...

Paul, I couldn't help notice the picture was dated Aug. 2009. What kind of weather do you expect in August?

[Paul Beckwith]

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The Arctic oven...

http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2...te-change.html

[Paul Beckwith]

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We have failed to act and now face consequences...

http://350orbust.wordpress.com/2010/...e-in-december/

[Gary Ruben]

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2010 is the year that the earth fought back:

More people killed worldwide in natural disasters than in terrorism attacks in the last 40 years combined...

Classic sign of man-made climate change that climate scientists have long warned about...details in link...

In big letters, it says "in a generation" which means it has and will likely continue to be variable. Like an outlier.

Also, while much is presented, there appears to be a dose of opinion in what I consider questionable opinion. Earthquakes in populated areas would be expected to be more deadly than in unpopulated areas.

Active volcanoes are, well, active. They erupt from time to time. You should know that.

Earthquakes are a result of the earths tectonic plates moving.

Hurricane Igor was something of a cottage industry. I have a book and CD of pictures sitting on my desk titled Hurricane Igor. In the eye of the storm. From when it hit Newfoundland. It's a gift and I'll be watching the disk in a couple of days. Nice pictures in the book.

The asphalt was peeling back like tin foil, I've been told.

[Paul Beckwith]

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2010 is the year that the earth fought back:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle1843950/

More people killed worldwide in natural disasters than in terrorism attacks in the last 40 years combined...

Classic sign of man-made climate change that climate scientists have long warned about...details in link...

[Gary Ruben]

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Before we came along, all the forest fires were almost all caused by naturally lightning. But now that we are here most of them are caused by people lighting fires in the woods. This is an ovservable fact.

It's not the science that is suffering from the delusion here...

Yes. A problem in B.C. if you say. Must be the liberal delusion of kindness and rehabilitation for the perps.

Regarding delusion, I prefer to refer to your positions as entertainment. Possibly it's my kind nature.

A lot of what you write on climate change sounds like dogma. Never really anything original. Just some added insults to those who dare to not agree. Text book tactics.