The One and Only Climate Change thread...

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

The problem with climate science is that the leading experts have been caught lying and bullying. Before 'climategate' I supported what I believed the science showed. I certainly didn't believe the chicken little 'the sky is falling' environmentalists such as Greenpeace + Al Gore.

Climategate changed all that. They were caught lying. They were caught bullying people by threatening their PhD's and the peer review process. Face it, climate scientists have zero credibility because of their own activist behavior. You can call the skeptics 'deniers' all you want... they can just respond that climate scientists aren't actual scientists... they are activists.

Way to go Jason, you making this post completely crashed the posts portion of the database that runs this forum :p

Conspiracy Theories anyone?

[Jason Lohner]

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I have struggled for a while on what to call "them". I agree that "skeptic: is the wrong term; and that "deniers" is much more accurate a term. After all, language descriptions are very important, for example "climate change" is much more accurate than "global warming" in talking about the changes. I will henceforth try to remember to call them "deniers" who are intent on "obfuscating", trying to befog or becloud or muddle the issues with their fibs, falsifications, falacies, and falsehoods, and mendacities, prevarications, and taradiddles (tarradiddles), also known as pretentious nonsense.

These terms are all apt descriptions of the denial movement thinking.

By the way Tom, my wife and I both bike into work each day. I converted my house from an energy audit rating of 35 up to 69 which is great for an old house, my hydro bill varies between $35-45 per month as opposed to a household average of $120 per month; I installed a superefficient (92.7%) boiler to both heat the house and domestic water (via a heat exchanger), all the toilets are dual flush (3/6 liters), the house has 0.2 air changes per hour (ACH) which is better than code of 0.3 for new houses and improvements are still ongoing (just limited by my time); solar panels and rain collection feeding directly into toilets are hopes for the near future...

I know that you also do very well yourself on these items.

The problem with climate science is that the leading experts have been caught lying and bullying. Before 'climategate' I supported what I believed the science showed. I certainly didn't believe the chicken little 'the sky is falling' environmentalists such as Greenpeace + Al Gore.

Climategate changed all that. They were caught lying. They were caught bullying people by threatening their PhD's and the peer review process. Face it, climate scientists have zero credibility because of their own activist behavior. You can call the skeptics 'deniers' all you want... they can just respond that climate scientists aren't actual scientists... they are activists.

[Ed Seedhouse]

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It could be worse. The name could be "union boss".

Poor Garry.

[Gary Ruben]

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I notice that Gary objects to name calling by others, but not by himself. There's a name for that, and it's "hypocrite".

It could be worse. The name could be "union boss".

[Ed Seedhouse]

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Looks like slogans and crapola to me.

I notice that Gary objects to name calling by others, but not by himself. There's a name for that, and it's "hypocrite".

[Gary Ruben]

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Gary and Vlad are off the charts on this one:

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/...rackpot-index/

Looks like slogans and crapola to me.

One thing the ever increasing hydro rates in Ontario will do. It will ensure the auto makers won't sell as many electric cars as hoped. More expensive to recharge and who knows how much higher it will be in 5 years.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/1...ear-on-record/

Good explanation as to why Europe is so cold now and eastern North America is warm; in a nutshell it is related to sea-ice. This is only the start of massive extreme climate changes that we will all (including Gary and Vlad) see now and onwards in time...

In a nutshell, they forgot to mention the volcano which spewed enough ash to shut down air flights for many days. Nasa isn't the final word.

[Paul Beckwith]

Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

Gary and Vlad are off the charts on this one:

http://greenfyre.wordpress.com/2008/...rackpot-index/

[Paul Beckwith]

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For all you space lovers and engineer types, here is a link to the best space shuttle launch footage and discussion that you have ever seen (money back guarantee)...

http://mashable.com/2010/12/11/nasa-...huttle-launch/

[Paul Beckwith]

Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

http://climateprogress.org/2010/12/1...ear-on-record/

Good explanation as to why Europe is so cold now and eastern North America is warm; in a nutshell it is related to sea-ice. This is only the start of massive extreme climate changes that we will all (including Gary and Vlad) see now and onwards in time...

[Gary Ruben]

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Surely you and Darth Vlad can learn some science instead of deny, deny, deny...

You are using a tactic which is covered in child psychology to try to get your own way. You should be above that.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Surely you and Darth Vlad can learn some science instead of deny, deny, deny...

[Gary Ruben]

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Words of wisdom from the denialist Rubenator.

Nice to hear from the snake oil salesman, Becksmear.

Y'know, Becksmear, I can recall when they used to sell cans of Newfie Fog to the hayseed tourists. Now the Hayseeds have hit on global warming and climate change and trying to sell it. The game is almost over. Governments will change in elections because the people can't afford to pay for it.

[Paul Beckwith]

Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

Words of wisdom from the denialist Rubenator.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: The One and Only Climate Change thread...

I have struggled for a while on what to call "them". I agree that "skeptic: is the wrong term; and that "deniers" is much more accurate a term. After all, language descriptions are very important, for example "climate change" is much more accurate than "global warming" in talking about the changes. I will henceforth try to remember to call them "deniers" who are intent on "obfuscating", trying to befog or becloud or muddle the issues with their fibs, falsifications, falacies, and falsehoods, and mendacities, prevarications, and taradiddles (tarradiddles), also known as pretentious nonsense.

Other ways to describe the thinking of the deniers is to describe it as applesauce, bunkum, balderdash baloney (boloney), blah-blah blarney blather, or blatherskite blither bosh and bull, claptrap and codswallop crapola and crock, drivel and drool, fiddle and fiddle-faddle fiddlesticks and flapddoodle folderol (falderal) folly and foolishnesh guff and hogwash hokeypokey hoodoo and hooey hoodoo or humbuggery malarkey piffle and poppycock tommyrot and twaddle with trumpery.

These terms are all apt descriptions of the denial movement thinking.

That's written like a speech by a Snake Oil Salesman trying to enroll Village Idiots to his cause.