The One and Only Climate Change thread...

[Paul Beckwith]

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This posting is from Nov 29, 2009. Your so called climategate has been examined over and over by multiple independent panels and every single scientist has been exonerated from nefarious activity. You are grasping at straws. These stories are old news. Almost all climate change work that is done now puts the data as open source; why would any scientist want to provide ammunition to deniers of your ilk; there is nothing to hide. You have no concept as to how science operates...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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No evidence is destroyed, it is all available to the public. What planet are you on?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6936328.ece

[Paul Beckwith]

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Math has always been one of my top subjects. Why do you always ignore the massive subsidies that are built into the price of fossil fuels. Your 20x multiplier is simply not valid when you compare apples to apples. You must also realize that things are more expensive and then price plummets with economies of scale as production methods improve and efficiency improves.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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I know math is difficult for you but if you pay 20 times what something is worth and that something is 1% of production how much will your costs go up?

Lets see if you can get 100% on this test.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Respect for real scientists? You are totally against real scientists if they decide to examine climate change. Most people that study climate change are people from many different disciplines; in fact almost all disciplines. Have you read the medical reports from physicians who write on the negative health effects of climate change?

Now we are getting at the root of your misguided philosophy. You cherry pick the scientists that you accept and reject the ones that say things you do not like to hear. No evidence is destroyed, it is all available to the public. What planet are you on?

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Is Vlad really a medical doctor; does he not use equipment that has been thought up by scientists?

I'm sure Vlad uses equipment thought up by doctors. I have nothing but respect for real scientists. Phony climate scientists who make up data and then destroy the evidence, well that's a whole different kettle of fish.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Au contraire. Slight rise in cost that was going to occur in any event (with moving to a smarter grid with smart meters; you are mixing those costs with the Energy Act renewable program). Much more resilient power grids will result. Drops? The only drop is in the quality of your posting; the power grid folks still aim for 99999 (99.999% of uptime). Just remember, the only people that had power during the ice storm were the folks getting it from solar panels...

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Ontario is doing great on this front with the Energy Act but the rest of Canada needs to step up to the plate or be left behind...

We can see how well Ontario has been doing by the exponential rise in electricity costs under the Liberal government and the degradation of the power grid with brownouts and momentary drops in power which were once a rare occurrence but now are regular events.

[Paul Beckwith]

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Excellent science on the tsumai progression in the Pacific basin...

http://all-geo.org/highlyallochthono...onshu-tsunami/

Vlad; I am interested to know if you accept this scientific work/analysis or reject it; are you a tsunami denier also. Or do you just cherry pick the science that you want to accept and that which you want to reject.

Paul Bonham; I think that I will leave the philosopy up to you and stick to the science; I enjoy your posts; they usually involve some thinking unlike Vlad who just cuts and pastes and is blinded by ideology. Is Vlad really a medical doctor; does he not use equipment that has been thought up by scientists?

Gary, you may want to invest in tuna futures (if such a thing exists) since a lot of tuna is caught of the east coast of Japan, and since they are near the top of the food chain they may end up with concentrations of radioactivity. Perhaps you will also cherry pick the science that you want to accept; accepting that which can make you a buck or two...

[Paul Beckwith]

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Germany to phase out nuke power plants with renewables...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/...72F2RD20110316

[Paul Beckwith]

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Global revenue: solar photovoltaics (PV), wind power and biofuels up 35% last year (versus 2009); growing from $139.1 billion to $188.1 billion
Most of growth was from doubling number of solar PV installations and steady growth in
the biofuels sector.
Global market for solar PV skyrocketed from $2.5 billion in 2000 to $71.2 billion in 2010 and for wind power it surged from $4.5 billion in 2000 to > $60.5 billion today

“As witnessed over the past decade, clean tech has proven to be a significant
business opportunity, and its growth rates now rival that of earlier technology
revolutions like telephony, computers, and the Internet,”

http://www.cleanedge.com/news/story.php?nID=7476

Ontario is doing great on this front with the Energy Act but the rest of Canada needs to step up to the plate or be left behind...

[Paul Beckwith]

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Reminder of how expensive nuclear power is; how about $10,800 per kilowatt!

http://www.thestar.com/comment/colum...article/665644

Most of the cost is to have multiple redundancy to minimize the risk of a failure and radiation leak. We could build them really cheaply if we had no containment building or reactor encasement...Plus the nuclear industry repeatedly shoots themselves in the foot by not standardizing the design and making it modular to lower costs and get uniform consistency and proven designs. Everyone uses their own design, so unless the whole industry gets smarter it will be held back...

[Paul Beckwith]

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Choose a number; which of the critical factors (1 to 10) do you think is the most serious?

http://climateprogress.org/2010/11/1...e-climategate/

[Paul Beckwith]

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The largest energy related health risks to people is from burning fossil fuels; the fossil fuel costs are $120 Billion per year; we are just complacent to these risks and willing to pay the costs (both in health and $) since we have been accepting them for a long time.

The gravest immediate risk is traditional air pollution that comes from the
combustion of coal, oil, and natural gas, which kills 20,000 or more Americans a year, and impairs the health of hundreds of thousands...

http://climateprogress.org/2011/02/1...epstein-health

http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/2...rcury-climate/

Another thought; thankfully there were not too many ozone hole deniers around to block the world action on the Montreal Protocol in 1987 to ban CFCs. I have no doubt that GCB would have been ozone hole deniers...

[Paul Beckwith]

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An excellent free resource for educating yourselves on renewables can be found by googling "Sustainable energy without the hot air". Highly recommended that you download this free book and read it; you will be impressed with the potential of renewables for power generation.

http://www.withouthotair.com/

If you are in Ottawa this weekend drop by the Green show at Lansdowne; it is free and there are loads of renewable companies and speakers. Also drop by the Arbour shop when you get a chance; they have my poster on display showing that the Glebe area of Ottawa could supply over 1/3 of its present electrical power needs with rooftop solar; with simple energy efficiency improvements this number would easily go to 2/3 of the total...