The One and Only Climate Change thread...

[Gary Ruben]

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It appears the UN and member nations are gearing for another war. This time in Libya. I guess it must be good for the U.N. climate agenda.

Anyhow, where did the arms come from?

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Then there is the oil. Who has an interest in the oil? France and Italy are pushing for action so what are their interests in Libya?

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I think Libya oil exports were roughly 1,600,000 barrels a day before these problems started. We should know the interests of those involved in conflicts.

[Adam Cormier]

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I was listening to Glenn Beck today and yesterday and the day before and I didn't hear that. I heard him say that the earthquake and disaster in Japan was an opportunity for Americans to show the Japanese that they care by sending a check to the Red Cross for the relief effort in Japan. He said that a lot of people are in need and despite their dire situation there are no riots and no resentment. I believe he used the word heroic to describe the Japanese people or if he didn't, he inferred it.

Did you watch his radio show on Monday?

The FOX News Commentator told listeners of his radio show on Monday:

"I'm not saying that God is causing earthquakes," then chuckled and added, "Well, I'm not not saying that either."

and he explained,

"I'm not saying God is causing earthquakes... What God does is God's business. But I'll tell you this, whether you call it Gaia or whether you call it Jesus, there's a message being sent," said Beck. "'Hey, you know that stuff we're doing. It's not really working out. Maybe we should stop doing some of it.' I'm just saying."

the audio is at the bottom of this article,
Glenn Beck-Earthquake comments

[Gary Ruben]

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Yes Paul, further to your private messages I really do believe what I post here.

Did you see the Nanos poll on the provincial election in todays newspaper? It appears the Premier is writing cheques with his ego that his policies can't cash. The Cons are up to 44%, which is majority territory. More interesting is the Cons haven't even presented their election platform as yet.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Pretty soon AGW theories will be confined to the supermarket tabloids where they belong with the news of Bigfoot/Loch Ness monster sightings and alien abduction theories.

Yes Paul, further to your private messages I really do believe what I post here.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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Gillanders that Ted Talk and Bill Maher clip were awesome.

Also about the earthquake in Japan I believe Glenn Beck has claimed it is a message from God (he said something like I'm not making that claim but I'm not not making that claim either...it was hilarious).

I was listening to Glenn Beck today and yesterday and the day before and I didn't hear that. I heard him say that the earthquake and disaster in Japan was an opportunity for Americans to show the Japanese that they care by sending a check to the Red Cross for the relief effort in Japan. He said that a lot of people are in need and despite their dire situation there are no riots and no resentment. I believe he used the word heroic to describe the Japanese people or if he didn't, he inferred it.

[Adam Cormier]

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Gillanders that Ted Talk and Bill Maher clip were awesome.

Also about the earthquake in Japan I believe Glenn Beck has claimed it is a message from God (he said something like I'm not making that claim but I'm not not making that claim either...it was hilarious).

[Tom O'Donnell]

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... I think you mean energy creation. Transmission methods are more limited. ...

Perhaps I do. Seems to me though that for example the Sun produces energy and we just attempt to harness it for human use. Same with coal. It has the innate ability to be used for energy; all we need to do is figure out how to get it to our homes. BTW, thanks for the compliment further down your post. :-)

[Vlad Drkulec]

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"...ClearSky's summary suggests that this policy may in fact work as intended at creating new jobs. The report says solar PV creates 12 times more jobs than nuclear per kilowatt-hour of electricity generated and 15 times more than coal...."

Isn't this the definition of relatively inefficient? For example, farming without modern-day methods would create at least hundreds of thousands of jobs nation-wide, for the same amount of food.

Don't worry, Tom. The number of jobs created is greatly overstated, often by a factor of three or four times. One of the newspapers did a study on the subsidized green jobs that the Ontario government was touting and found that in almost every case the counts were fiction. Companies reported that they might create jobs if the government handed them buckets of money and then the government reported these potential jobs as actual jobs. Contacting the companies that supposedly created these jobs revealed that the actual results were more modest than the government was reporting.

The purpose of business is not to create jobs, imo. It is to create goods and services. If everyone could be fed without anyone working, that wouldn't be bad; it would be good. Likewise with energy transmission.

I tend to agree with Paul Bonham on this. All methods of energy transmission have their downsides, as the Japanese are sadly discovering.

I think you mean energy creation. Transmission methods are more limited.

I personally applaud your efforts to educate everyone, but I think in general it is mostly a waste of time. People will still assume that we have an unlimited supply of every resource and very few people are going to make actual sacrifices to their quality of life until disaster is upon them. Even then they will not thank you for it.

I think people would be more receptive to disaster scenarios if the chicken little industry hadn't been saturating us with them for more than forty years without any of them coming to fruition. Resources are unlimited because there are substitutes for everything and the technology for finding and using more of those resources is continuously improving.

It would also help if the chicken littles believed what they were spouting and could show that they believed it by their actions and not just their words. Examples that come to mind are Al Gore claiming sea levels will rise some ridiculous level and then buying beachfront property (though a cynic might wonder if his sea level rant wasn't just a way to drive down the cost of his purchase), not to mention his use of private jets and a house that uses more electricity than the next hundred people he is lecturing to.

I tend to respect what you say more than most other people weighing in on these matters because you seem to be actually walking the walk rather than just talking the talk.

[Gary Ruben]

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The uranium company stocks are getting hammered. I have shares in a company which enriches uranium and refuels reactors. As far as I know they refuel about half the reactors in the U.S. and about a quarter of the reactors in the world. It's done on an 18 to 24 month schedule.

If it keep dropping I'll be buying more shares. Why? Because I don't see the need for reactor fuel dropping over the next decade or more.

The current problems will slow down the pace at which coal fired plants are taken out of service, which should be positive for thermal coal.

[Tom O'Donnell]

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"...ClearSky's summary suggests that this policy may in fact work as intended at creating new jobs. The report says solar PV creates 12 times more jobs than nuclear per kilowatt-hour of electricity generated and 15 times more than coal...."


Isn't this the definition of relatively inefficient? For example, farming without modern-day methods would create at least hundreds of thousands of jobs nation-wide, for the same amount of food.

The purpose of business is not to create jobs, imo. It is to create goods and services. If everyone could be fed without anyone working, that wouldn't be bad; it would be good. Likewise with energy transmission.

I tend to agree with Paul Bonham on this. All methods of energy transmission have their downsides, as the Japanese are sadly discovering.

I personally applaud your efforts to educate everyone, but I think in general it is mostly a waste of time. People will still assume that we have an unlimited supply of every resource and very few people are going to make actual sacrifices to their quality of life until disaster is upon them. Even then they will not thank you for it.

[Vlad Drkulec]

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I've got a life, Paul. I don't sit around waiting for you to post so I can reply.
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I suspect you'll see a right wing conservative government which will make the Harris and Eves governments seem enlightened. Tax and spend is on the way out.

I was playing chess last night.

Like you, I suspect that the Ontario Liberals are going to get destroyed in the next election. We can't afford four more years of this.

The next few federal elections are shaping up as interesting. I'm surprised that Harper actually said no and nixed any federal involvement in a new arena for Quebec City. Iggy came out and said that if he won the election his government would help fund the arena. Iggy didn't say anything about Calgary and Edmonton's similar ambitions.

The heir apparent once or twice removed from Iggy managed to take one foot out of his mouth and insert another one in. Justin Trudeau fresh off his Christmas fur kerfluffle managed to say he was offended by the government when they said honour killings, female circumcision, family violence and a few other such practices were barbaric. I suppose that is one way to get noticed when everyone is focused on the situation in Japan and the Middle East. Bob Rae futures just went up quite a bit. There may be more Margaret than Pierre Elliot in the intellect department there. Even the NDP issued a condescending statement on that one.

[Paul Bonham]

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One hour has passed with no response from Gary, Vlad, Bonham (GVB); must be a record. It is impossible to have the last word with a retired guy like Gary, notice when there is a lull in posting his post was always the last.[/URL]

I guess that's why you have to resort to broadcasting your academic credentials and calling your critics "a joke", to make up for not getting in the last word. Small man syndrome.

Isn't it amazing that I posted here just a week ago that even with the most modern of science, all we can prove is that there is no free lunch, and what happens but a modern nuclear power plant proves me right again. The price for Tokyo's bright neon nights is now beyond comprehension, to the entire country of Japan at least.

It's gonna take a lot of solar panels to make up for lost nuclear power generation. And eventually there will be a price to pay for solar... toxic pollution at landfills and manufacturing sites, probably heavy metals getting into groundwater. It's never free. That's the way this physical plane was designed, and I don't care if you got 100% on 100% of your midterms, you can't change the design. All you can do is rearrange it.

[Gary Ruben]

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One hour has passed with no response from Gary, Vlad, Bonham (GVB); must be a record. It is impossible to have the last word with a retired guy like Gary, notice when there is a lull in posting his post was always the last.

I've got a life, Paul. I don't sit around waiting for you to post so I can reply.

Interesting article. How's about you get paid a donut a month for the power your solar panels supply? Sound fair to you?

In any case, we'll see how the voting goes in the upcoming provincial election. After the leak at Pickering which is just coming out now, I have to wonder if the money is going for alternate sources of energy instead of maintainance on the aging nuclear reactors. I'm wondering if we'll get to hear the maintainance schedule on that equipment and the last time the seal was replaced how often it's checked. I figure they won't mention that part.

I suspect you'll see a right wing conservative government which will make the Harris and Eves governments seem enlightened. Tax and spend is on the way out.

[Paul Beckwith]

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One hour has passed with no response from Gary, Vlad, Bonham (GVB); must be a record. It is impossible to have the last word with a retired guy like Gary, notice when there is a lull in posting his post was always the last.

This site ranks the merit of blog sites; it is an excellent resource to assess the quality of the information you are getting. I could not find any of the GVD sources in the rankings, they are too far down...
http://technorati.com/blogs/directory/green/

[Paul Beckwith]

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Lets see how long it takes Gary, Vlad, and Paul Bonham to attack this one...

Ontario solar power generation is excellent for the pocketbook, the economy, the environment, and the future...Kudos to Ontario...
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-11...ing-solar-jobs