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Please use this thread only for this topic; and perhaps Larry will not lock it since it brings heavy traffic to the site...
Climate change is alive and well; the most important indicators of this are the exponential rise in CO2 atmospheric concentrations and ocean concentration (leading to increase in ocean acidity).
Global warming? What about the wacky weather in Europe (record snowfalls, cold), record snowfall in South Korea, storm surges in Eastern Canada. Climate change is expected to cause more extreme weather events, including snow in places it normally does not fall. If the heat transfer mechanisms from the equator to the poles is reduced (ocean currents primary transport pathway followed by air movement), then we could get a global temperature rise but colder polar temperatures.
My view is that Global Warming (due to increased greenhouse gas concentrations) is battling with cooling from abnormally low sunspot activity at the moment.
My view is that Global Warming (due to increased greenhouse gas concentrations) is battling with cooling from abnormally low sunspot activity at the moment.
What exactly does "abnormaly" low sunspot activity mean? How abnormally low, and are there any theories as to why it may be abnormally low, and whether it might be the start of a long-term trend?
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
My view is that Global Warming (due to increased greenhouse gas concentrations) is battling with cooling from abnormally low sunspot activity at the moment.
Do you know of any evidence that a low sunspot number has any significant correlation with less heat from the sun? Have you, for example, examined the results from the ACRIMSAT which NASA has been using to measure the sun's irradiance for the last decade?
Solar cycle #24 has begun, and the sunspot number is tending upward at the moment, not downward. Today's number is 20, and if you are interested in this observation I can recommend a daily check of Spaceweather.com
My view is that Global Warming (due to increased greenhouse gas concentrations) is battling with cooling from abnormally low sunspot activity at the moment.
That's a load off, Paul. For a second I thought I was reading the gospel according to climate scientists and then you clarified with it being your view. Is the rapid increase in the movement of the magnetic north pole being taken into consideration?
I'm up thousands the last week. When I unloaded the B.C. paper company I switched to gas and oil, reasoning the climatologists would want to be warm whilst writing their predictions of the coming catastrophe.
Obama announced some initiatives last week on TV. I really didn't pay a lot of attention but think it was for clean energy. Wind, solar, I think it was. Surprisingly he didn't mention nuclear. There are lots of facilities more or less scheduled to be built or on the drawing boards for that. The U.S. lacks a modern up to date facility for making the SWU's used in light water reactors. I take it you know what a SWU is. The technology they are using, gaseous diffusion, is WW II stuff.
Please use this thread only for this topic; and perhaps Larry will not lock it since it brings heavy traffic to the site...
Climate change is alive and well; the most important indicators of this are the exponential rise in CO2 atmospheric concentrations and ocean concentration (leading to increase in ocean acidity).
Global warming? What about the wacky weather in Europe (record snowfalls, cold), record snowfall in South Korea, storm surges in Eastern Canada. Climate change is expected to cause more extreme weather events, including snow in places it normally does not fall. If the heat transfer mechanisms from the equator to the poles is reduced (ocean currents primary transport pathway followed by air movement), then we could get a global temperature rise but colder polar temperatures.
My view is that Global Warming (due to increased greenhouse gas concentrations) is battling with cooling from abnormally low sunspot activity at the moment.
Well, Paul, you'll no doubt be happy to read we have received a 30 year repreive (or however you spell it) from global warming. A friend sent me an article on global cooling. 30 glorious years of Global Cooling. I can hardly wait to share this with you but perhaps in view of the temperatures being encoutered this winter you might have already guessed.
It's really good news as I'm not a worshipper of warm weather nor of cold, for that matter.
Now there are those who put forth the peak oil theory who will tell you in 30 years our reserves will be in great decline. Not a theory to which I subscribe.
New technology has opened the door to all kinds of oil and gas reserves which were known but not recoverable. Horizontal wells, if you have any idea to what I'm referring, gives the ability to drill into hard rock formations and fracture them to recover reserves. The known reserves in the U.S. and Canada have increased greatly as a result of these techniques. It's probably good news we have 30 years of global cooling ahead.
Of course, some are claiming the stuff being pumped into the wells under high pressure to fracture the rock could be migrating into the ground water. That seems to be more of an issue for the 'Mericans than it does for us Canucks.
I guess Global Cooling is a hot topic in a climate change thread.
Perhaps I'll get my computer to pick me out a couple more gas and oil stocks. The natural gas reserves are being drawn down relatively quickly and I suspect the talk of the hugh glut in storage will soon turn to fears of a shortage. Here are figures and a graph which show the natural gas in storage has moved into the 5 year range. I keep track of this stuff to give me an idea of future pricing. My own analysis.
Well, when it comes to choosing between Fox news as an authority and actual climate scientists on the other hand, I'm betting on the actual scientists.
Now if you think that Fox is a greater authority than science, well we really have nothing to talk about, do we?
Well, when it comes to choosing between Fox news as an authority and actual climate scientists on the other hand, I'm betting on the actual scientists.
This indicates you either didn't read the article or you didn't understand it. Dismissing the messenger rather than dealing with the message seems to be the style in these global warming threads.
This indicates you either didn't read the article or you didn't understand it. Dismissing the messenger rather than dealing with the message seems to be the style in these global warming threads.
When a messenger, such as Fox news, is known to be reliably inaccurate, ignoring them is wise. Sorry, but if you want to convince me that Global warming is not a fact you'll have to do it with actual evidence, not Fox spin. Your suggestion that I had not read the article before responding is a rather unpleasant personal attack, by the way, as well as being quite wrong.
By the way, Mojib Latif, who is quoted in the article, in fact accepts that anthropogenic global warming is a fact, contrary to the dishonest spin put on by Fox.
Now, out here in the West, and in Northern latitudes, the weather is unusually warm and the arctic in particular is experiencing record mild temperatures for the time of year. Does that prove that "Global Warming" is a fact? No, it doesn't. Nor does unusually cold weather in much of North America disprove it. You have to measure the global temperatures, not local ones, to determine things one way or another.
But if you are determined to deny the global trend you must show that the evidence is against it globally, not in some particular fairly small area of the world.
Early global results are that 2009 appears, in fact, to be the second warmest year on record. That too does not prove global warming. It merely adds another data point to the trend. But the overall trend is not in doubt at all.
Since there is presently a strong El Nino in progress it is expected that 2010 will be warmer still.
That's a good reason to ignore the climate "scientists" and their models which are inaccurate by their own admission. HTH.
And yet the knowledge uncovered by these scientists, who admit they can be wrong, who quite often are wrong, and who indeed spend most of their time trying to prove other scientists wrong, has created the world we know today. A world which would collapse overnight if the findings of these very fallible scientists were all erased from the knowledge of humankind.
It seems you would rather trust the press than the scientists. Well I am sorry, but I will bet on the scientists over the press any day.
Indeed! And I would guess you would not bet on any scientist, but a like minded scientist.
That is merely a personal attack. It is also wrong. I would bet on qualified scientists whether or not they agree with me.
But, even if you were right about me (and you aren't), what does that have to do with the topic of the thread?
Now we do, in this thread, have evidence that you trust Fox news, which for someone who is presumably educated is virtually the equivalent of believing PRAVDA or TRUD back in the 1960's. I saw through them then, and I see through their equivalents today.
Harvey Oberfield, long time Canadian journalist and hardly a raging left winger disects Fox quite nicely in his blog today. Since he marshals his facts well and writes better than I can I will pass you over to him if you are interested in learning something.
Last edited by Ed Seedhouse; Monday, 18th January, 2010, 02:53 PM.
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