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    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    Don't forget to post a platform and line up some support from the governors.

    Someone mentioned the CFC started in 1872 or something like that. I wonder if there are any life governors from then still on the board.

    By the way, this thread is becoming hard to navigate.


    Paul did post a platform: bigger average boob size per CFC member (i.e. get more female members). He was talking adult females specifically, which I don't know about you, but it tells me something.

    Paul begged to be allowed to have this one thread for all AGW matters. Seeing that AGW is one of the most hotly debated topics on the entire dub dub dub, one would have thought he would have anticipated the thread becoming hard to navigate because of all the acrimonious BS. Probably he just didn't care. It seems he just wants to have a sounding board for his ideas and make himself look important.
    Only the rushing is heard...
    Onward flies the bird.

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      Here is an interesting simulation on the flow of the oil spill; it projects that the oil will soon pass into the Gulf Stream and traverse the Atlantic...

      http://www.accuweather.com/blogs/new...elerate-up.asp

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        Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
        Here is an interesting simulation on the flow of the oil spill; it projects that the oil will soon pass into the Gulf Stream and traverse the Atlantic...
        I think there is a chance the spill could (note weasel word) effect the fishing grounds off Prince Edward Island.

        I think drilling offshore Newfoundland will continue. The are going to, or have, begun a well in deeper water than the blowout. Off the continental shelf.

        Are you still doing your CFC presidential run? Maybe you should start a separate thread for that. This one is hard to navigate, if you'll pardon the pun.

        I'm the president of the Inner Galactic Chess Fedation but there are no elections yet. Maybe I should start recruiting members and keeping a membership list.

        It's a neat setup. You are who you say. Your planet is limited only by your imagination. Not a bad deal as I think those who believe in global warming have vivid imaginations. :)
        Gary Ruben
        CC - IA and SIM

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          Great video of the SpaceX rocket taking off.
          Funniest is the fly that can be seen in the first few seconds of the video, buzzing directly in front of the camera lens!

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_a...t/10209704.stm

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            Good cartoon linking oil spill to climate change...

            http://climateprogress.org/2010/06/0...ns/#more-26879
            Last edited by Paul Beckwith; Tuesday, 8th June, 2010, 08:28 AM. Reason: repair

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              Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
              Good cartoon linking oil spill to climate change...
              Dude, that is one lame cartoon. It looks like something done by an eight year old having a bad day in art class.

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                We finally agree on something; namely that the cartoon was probably done by an 8 year old!

                But at least this 8 year old understands the link between burning fossil fuels and climate change; more than can be said for a lot of people.

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                  Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                  We finally agree on something; namely that the cartoon was probably done by an 8 year old!

                  But at least this 8 year old understands the link between burning fossil fuels and climate change; more than can be said for a lot of people.
                  Do you know how much coal is being burned around the world? The U.S. is like the Saudi Arabia of coal. We've got a lot as well. Much of Alberta's electricity is from thermal coal. Something like 85 or 90 percent of China's electric energy is from thermal coal.

                  Metalurgical coal is used for making steel.

                  I can still remember when the coal man came and filled up the coal bin to heat the house. Every house had a coal furnace. The milk man used a horse and buggy. The horse didn't wear a diaper. In the winter the top on the milk bottle would be up off the bottle because the milk was frozen.

                  Now we live in enlightened times.

                  Obama has the drilling in the gulf shut down for six months and the well is gushing. I heard on TV last evening, on CNN, that people want the ban eased because of all the unemployment it's causing and it's unbalancing the economy. In six months the rigs will be drilling in other parts of the world and the U.S.won't get them back all that fast.

                  My first thoughts is the U.S. will end up more dependent on foreign oil in the future. You do realize how relatively easy it would be to fix such a problem as that oil gusher if it were on land, don't you?
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                    The amount of coal being burned is enormous indeed; China is building a new coal plant every 5 days or so. In the U.S. the entire tops of mountains are being sheared off to access the coal within, changing entire landscapes in the Appalachians. The idea of "clean coal" is an oxymoron; a marketing ploy by the industry (and Canadian government) to try to sway the public.

                    I know that the main problem in the gulf is the water depth. After the Iraq withdrawal from Kuwait, thousands of these gushers on land were capped withing 6 months to a year; the IMAX movie "Fires of Kuwait" is worth seeing regarding this situation.

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                      Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                      We finally agree on something; namely that the cartoon was probably done by an 8 year old!

                      But at least this 8 year old understands the link between burning fossil fuels and climate change; more than can be said for a lot of people.
                      That was fantastic, a brilliant way to turn Vlad's statement back onto him. I wonder what is the normal age when people can start making the link between climate change and human activities?

                      Paul Beckwith, I thought the Chinese government had created a very aggressive plan to fight climate change, has that not taken effect or are they just ignoring their own legislation?
                      Last edited by Adam Cormier; Wednesday, 9th June, 2010, 01:22 PM.
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                        Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                        The amount of coal being burned is enormous indeed; China is building a new coal plant every 5 days or so. In the U.S. the entire tops of mountains are being sheared off to access the coal within, changing entire landscapes in the Appalachians. The idea of "clean coal" is an oxymoron; a marketing ploy by the industry (and Canadian government) to try to sway the public.

                        I know that the main problem in the gulf is the water depth. After the Iraq withdrawal from Kuwait, thousands of these gushers on land were capped withing 6 months to a year; the IMAX movie "Fires of Kuwait" is worth seeing regarding this situation.
                        There you go. Coal was supposed to have been the old fuel. I can remember the worries about losing revenue from coal when so much gas and oil was found.

                        So what's do you think will replace all that electrical capacity? Nuclear?

                        I doubt it will be an expensive energy source. Here in Ontario it would surprise me if the provincial government doesn't change next election. If there was an acceptable opposition federally that would also probably change but it's unlikely. People are getting tired of big spending governments. Here in Ontario probably industry will have to pick up a lot more before they have to get serious about new power plants. If we get another cool summer like last year electricy demand for air conditioning will be low.

                        There seems to be an interest in building uranium enrichment plants in the U.S. to make SWU's for use in the light water reactors. The French company, Areva (or something like that) has a government loan guarantee from the DOE in the U.S., contingent on regulatory approvals and the American company USEC Inc. is working on their new plant. Centrifuge technology.
                        Gary Ruben
                        CC - IA and SIM

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                          Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                          I know that the main problem in the gulf is the water depth. After the Iraq withdrawal from Kuwait, thousands of these gushers on land were capped withing 6 months to a year; the IMAX movie "Fires of Kuwait" is worth seeing regarding this situation.
                          I almost forgot to tell you what happened with that. They developed an abtrasive jet cutting system. It's positioned on the burning well. It uses sand and water to abrade the wellhead. Then you can extinguish the fire with water. After the fire is out they cap the well.

                          It took about 9 months to extinguish the fires as a result of this.

                          I've never seen this done and am going by memory.
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                            Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                            We finally agree on something; namely that the cartoon was probably done by an 8 year old!

                            But at least this 8 year old understands the link between burning fossil fuels and climate change; more than can be said for a lot of people.
                            The eight year old understands what his teachers have been shoveling to him despite the facts. Like Gary suggested you need a vivid imaginations to believe in AGW.

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                              Vlad,
                              Perhaps one day your cognitive function will overcome your wishful thinking and ignorance of "facts"; but I am not holding my breath...

                              Adam,
                              I know that the recessions has slowed China's power plant needs down somewhat; and they have a massive solar/wind renewable energy program underway. They also have an enormous tree planting program underway to reduce dust storms and soil loss; these trees also offset some of the emissions. I recently spoke to an old professor of mine who just returned from China, and got quite an earful on these mitigation programs when I brought up the coal plant construction.

                              Gary,
                              Nuclear will likely play a very important role as a baseline power generator, supplemented by renewables.

                              About 3 years ago the US DOD (Department of Defense) issued a white paper on the possibility of constructing large scale solar photovoltaic panels in space, and microwaving the energy to ground receiving stations to provide most of our power. The technology to do all of this exists today; however to get better results we need to a)increase efficiencies of solar panels (top of the line panels today are about 20% efficient; DARPA (Defense Advanced Research Projects Association) has been rumored to be nearing 50% and we also need to b)significantly reduce the cost per kg of transporting material into earth orbit; thus the recent US initiative to privatize space launches to drive down prices.

                              People have also discussed geoengineering projects whereby large shutters are put into orbit to block some of the sunlight from reaching earth; personally I think the photovoltaics make much more sense.

                              Another very interesting idea to generate large amounts of electrical power is to launch large scale wind turbines up into the tropopause (about 10 km high) to capture the winds from the jet stream; these winds reach 200 mph or so speeds. In fact a California company exists to pursue this area of research.

                              TED lecture on climate change peer review...
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlyorcJ28UA
                              TED lecture on some climate change history and solutions...
                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkEys3PeseA

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                                Originally posted by Adam Cormier View Post
                                That was fantastic, a brilliant way to turn Vlad's statement back onto him. I wonder what is the normal age when people can start making the link between climate change and human activities?

                                Paul Beckwith, I thought the Chinese government had created a very aggressive plan to fight climate change, has that not taken effect or are they just ignoring their own legislation?
                                Harumph. You have obviously not been in many usenet debates if you think that is anything but the usual pedestrian fare trotted out every time anyone questions the established orthodoxy of the AGW/Gaia religion. Children are propagandized non-stop about all this nonsense. They make a link supporting the absurd AGW hypothesis because that is what their teachers want them to believe. Fortunately they grow up and discover a whole wide world of facts out there and start to question the "knowledge" that they were spoon fed.

                                There is no doubt that human activities can have an impact on climate. For instance in Africa they are cutting down rain forests and then trying to blame western CO2 emissions for the resulting changes in rainfall patterns.

                                The Chinese government, much like the Russian government lost interest in aggressive plans to fight climate change once it became apparent that there would be no bags of western money to pay for it and that they would have to submit to verifiable targets for their own emissions.

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