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No Charbonneau games - although in the 2010 Quebec Open, he tried to win with K+NN vs K+P against Sylvain Barbeau.
Oops! Great memory, just a little short!! That was the game I was thinking of. A master converted to an EG in which there was a theoretical win, but the GM couldn't do it.
Oh, well, we did get another actual chess discussion going here for awhile!
I witnessed the end of this game. Pascal was down to his last 30 seconds almost every move, and such an ending needs more time than that to win (if a win is there).
Playing on in that position just shows a lack of class. Terrible
I completely disagree. The endgame is technically won of course but practical chances even though very low (against Ivanchuk) still remained so I don't see anything wrong with what Moro did. In either case, I don't think that there is ever any kind of disrespect by not resigning.
To me, this just shows a clear lack of respect for his opponent. Where has sportsmanship gone?
At the same time some people are advocating playing every position until the bitter end for the benefit of spectators. It was the case I believe in a match between Karpov and an Iranian GM. The players could not draw by agreement and could not resign! Can't please everyone...
The only Canadian content I can add is a draw between John Hallam (with the KBN) and Sergei Sokourinski in the 1999 BC Championship, and a draw between Manon Leger (with the KBN) and Gabriela Koskova in the 1994 Women's Olympiad.
I had KBN vs Roman Sapozhnikov in the last round of the 2007 Canadian Amateur and couldn't win within 50 moves. He's over 2400 now but I'm still an amateur...
I had KRBPP vs KR against Nikolay Noritsyn many years ago but short on time I hung my rook to KxR but still had winning chances as my 2 P's were connected and on the 5th and 6th rank but I hung those in the time scramble as well so it was down to KB vs KR and I was even in the right corner to draw with correct play but I flagged and lost...
The B+N mate is one that I teach my top students. I have seen 2 of them execute the mates against higher rated opposition. Quite rewarding.
I believe it was Inarkiev at the 2007 World Cup who stole 1.5/2 in one of his matches. First his opponent flagged in a winning position and then his opponent flagged trying to deliver the BN mate.
I don't understand why players omit this lesson. It's not any more difficult than the Philidor and Lucena positions. It does happen infrequently though. Maybe that's the rub.
I have spent considerable time learning it to the point where I could do it easily from any position in just a few minutes.
Then, some years leader, having forgotten it completely, I did that again. And again some years later still.
As of now I cannnot do it and my current method, should it ever arise, would be to offer a draw assuming I was the one with the two pieces. Rest would be more important than the extra half point.
The Bare King rule should be brought back, in my opinion, and be scored at three quarters of a point. It would save much time and frustration and make the rating system more accurate. Not that I expect to convince anyone.
The Bare King rule should be brought back, in my opinion, and be scored at three quarters of a point. It would save much time and frustration and make the rating system more accurate. Not that I expect to convince anyone.
that's an idiotic remark even by your standards
everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)
I had trouble with this ending until I read Muller and Lamprecht. Now I would regard it as an elementary technical win. Despite that, I would not criticize Moro for playing on until I knew a lot more about the precise circumstances---time remaing for both players, positions in the tournament, etc. As Vlad says, it is your right to play to the end even if some kids, coached by some who should know better, overdo this principle from time to time.
On the other hand, not too long ago I played an obnoxious youngster (I have to say that this was the only occasion on which a youngster was obnoxious in a game with me, winning or losing) who kept proclaiming that the position was drawn, over and over again, until he realized that while he was whining I had destroyed his position (with a knight sac to break free the queenside pawns).
In another game, against a master (and master trainer), I finally arrived at a classic Lucena position and was a bit surprised that he played on. On the one hand, I was on the point of leaning across the board, in a terrible breach of etiquette, and asking him if he had ever heard of Lucena; on the other, it was the first, and remains the only, occasion whien I actually had to play such a position out across the board. It was perfectly legitimate for him to say, in effect, Show me! And it was great experience for me.
I had trouble with this ending until I read Muller and Lamprecht. Now I would regard it as an elementary technical win. Despite that, I would not criticize Moro for playing on until I knew a lot more about the precise circumstances---time remaing for both players, positions in the tournament, etc. As Vlad says, it is your right to play to the end even if some kids, coached by some who should know better, overdo this principle from time to time.
On the other hand, not too long ago I played an obnoxious youngster (I have to say that this was the only occasion on which a youngster was obnoxious in a game with me, winning or losing) who kept proclaiming that the position was drawn, over and over again, until he realized that while he was whining I had destroyed his position (with a knight sac to break free the queenside pawns).
In another game, against a master (and master trainer), I finally arrived at a classic Lucena position and was a bit surprised that he played on. On the one hand, I was on the point of leaning across the board, in a terrible breach of etiquette, and asking him if he had ever heard of Lucena; on the other, it was the first, and remains the only, occasion whien I actually had to play such a position out across the board. It was perfectly legitimate for him to say, in effect, Show me! And it was great experience for me.
Hi Gordon, I am also aware of a youngster who, more than once, when losing, or even just potentially losing, repeatedly proclaims it is a draw, and then usually proceeds to lose (which is besides the point). As TD, I have tried many times to teach him the etiquette, but it has not taken yet. Maybe he reads this, and it sinks in a bit better.
i feel that only hebert has touched on the crux of the matter: finishes like this are hella opportune moments to market chess to relative beginners. for (most) professional players, the win is simple, but for beginners, it's intricate and fascinating. it's exactly the sort of sequence apt to be shown in a "highlight reel" of sorts
everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)
Hi Gordon, I am also aware of a youngster who, more than once, when losing, or even just potentially losing, repeatedly proclaims it is a draw, and then usually proceeds to lose (which is besides the point). As TD, I have tried many times to teach him the etiquette, but it has not taken yet. Maybe he reads this, and it sinks in a bit better.
Why take such a delicate approach? Next time, give him one warning, and if he does it again, then forfeit him. If he still does it in a future game, forfeit him again, and toss him from the event. Repeat as needed. Probably he figures that since there is no punishment for his repeated breach of etiquette that he may as well try it and hope for the best.
When I was directing junior events for CMA a few years ago there was one kid who routinely violated the touch-move rule. He would play a blunder, then try to take the move back and deny that he ever made the move. After a couple of complaints from different opponents, I just ruled against the kid every time, regardless of whether there were any other witnesses to the infraction or not. He realized that he couldn't get away with it anymore, so he stopped doing it. Consider it the "Chinese TD Approach". ;-)
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