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The astronauts about who you speak are a bunch of old timers, sitting in their meetings being brainwashed by one astronaut who is being paid huge sums of money from Exxon and other oil guys to speak to the public. None of these guys are climatologists. This is a pure BS PR snow job.
You said that "This is about the science needing to be proved". Absolutely. The science is "proved" in the minds of 98% of the people who spend their lives via careers in studying the issue. Just not in the feeble disillusioned non-technical mind of Mr. Kitich, the financial and tax guy who thinks that things must be true since they come out of his facial orifice.
More science and less character assasination Beckwith. Those 'old timers' have more qualifications and have done more for science in one day than you will ever accomplish in your entire lifetime.
How are they not climatologists with various science degrees at the graduate level and you with your little ceramic engineering degree are?
Vlad, this is priceless drivel. I am copying and pasting your comments above and in some earlier posts to some critical web sites for analysis. I will leave your name off so that you are not subjected to ridicule outside of the Chesstalk community. Unless you want to stand up and defend your comments in the larger community. Let me know. Great stuff, you are clearly a master of invective, or perhaps even a GM...
I may do the same with your comments one day. The Association of Professional Engineers of Ontario may be intereted to know that you are publically claiming to be a climatologist and physicist based on your degree in ceramic engineering and management. That may be beyond the scope of your licence. I'm sure they will let you know.
Ceramic engineer. If I was a ceramic engineer I would be able to construct an enormous toilet bowl and but people like yourself and Vlad inside. Interesting how you can propagate misinformation so easily, it must be like second nature to you.
You have a degree in ceramic engineering and management from McMaster University earned in 1987. This is a 5 year degree forcusing on the usual 4 years of the ceramic engineering program plus a years worth of commerce courses. You are a licenced professional engineer with the Association of Professional Engineers of Ontario. Your licence was granted in 1992. Back then licences required two years of employment supervised by a Professional Engineer but you did not obtain your licence until 5 years after graduation. You are listed as a chemical engineer I assume because they do not have a category for ceramic engineers. You are currently listed as being employed as a sales manager for Honeywell in Mississagua. Do you deny this?
Me too, I'm studying it too. And the other thing Beckwith and I have in common is that neither of us has academic certification as a climate specialist.
Some help with definitions Mr Kitich. A "heat wave" is a period of time that is hotter than NORMAL. Of course Greece has a climate warmer than ours, it is a Mediterranean climate. It has been much hotter than "normal" recently, thus the expression.
I am always pleased to help you improve your command of the English language.
The earth has been having heat waves from millenia. And where exactly in my post did I use the word heat wave?
Using the mere existance of said millenia existing heat waves to bolster a claim of recent man made climate change is a mistake in logic only you could be expected to make. Always happy to help you learn to think.
Was it green house gases that made ancient Greece such a hot place? Hotter than normal? What about as hot as the last heat wave? Heat waves are a normal and regularly occuring phenomenon ie this heat wave is about as hot as the last heat wave and the heat wave before that and the one before that and so on...
but okay science guy, find me a summer in Ontario that did not have a heat wave...
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Wednesday, 18th July, 2012, 05:07 PM.
Scientists and astronauts as hippies? Interesting concept. Someone should tell the US government that they've spent billions sending hippies into space. Especially when everyone knows hippies can do the job themselves for a lot less with just a little chemical help.
I agree that you know nothing about climate change Zeljko, and that is very obvious to all of the readers on this board (excepting Vlad and Gary, perhaps). Hopefully you know something about the subjects that you spend your time studying.
I spend my time on climate change, thus I know a great deal about it. I concede that you know more about your specialty than mine. I would not expect you to have the balls to reciprocate this comment about me and my specialty.
Socrates would roll over in his grave or spit at your feet if he was to see how you pull his quotes out of the air and try to use them completely out of context. You think it makes you look scholarly however Chesstalk readers can see right through your charade.
I am well past the point of wasting time by attempting to enlighten yourself and other laymen like Vlad in the science of climate change. No point. Lost cause.
Really? I guess with all the time you have on your hands because you are not working in your field this is perhaps believable. Perhaps you should look into turning this into paid employment. Just one question though. Since you are home schooled on climate change how are we to know if you actually know anything about it? Or is it all just a charade?
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Wednesday, 18th July, 2012, 05:16 PM.
Group think. Zeljko has learned well from his mentor Vlad, hopefully he is still salvageable and has not dropped too far down into the make-believe land of fantasy that his mentor inhabits. My views on climate change come from reading thousands of peer reviewed papers and switching my career to study and address the problem.
Does gravity exist Mr Kitich? Do you subscribe to the group-think regarding gravity. Perhaps you do but you certainly do not call it group-think. Climate change is exactly the same.
Ceramic engineering? Once again you say whatever pops into your facsimile of a brain. Where is that from? Another lie is 1987, I got degrees on other years but nothing in 1987. Thanks for the embellishment, and there is no such thing as cool aid. Literacy is not one of your stronger points.
According to you science cannot prove anything and therefore cannot prove whether gravity exists or not. Climate change is not a settled issue as gravity is. However, that's a moot point since according to you science cannot prove anything anyway.
Career? You mean someone actually pays you to do this stuff? Surely after reading thousands of peer reviewed papers (assuming that is so because in the past you have posted links to non-peer reviewed items) you have been able to produce a paper yourself in a peer-reviewed journal. Might you let us know which one so we can all share in the distilled knowledge of thousands of papers?
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Wednesday, 18th July, 2012, 05:29 PM.
You have a degree in ceramic engineering and management from McMaster University earned in 1987. This is a 5 year degree forcusing on the usual 4 years of the ceramic engineering program plus a years worth of commerce courses. You are a licenced professional engineer with the Association of Professional Engineers of Ontario. Your licence was granted in 1992. Back then licences required two years of employment supervised by a Professional Engineer but you did not obtain your licence until 5 years after graduation. You are listed as a chemical engineer I assume because they do not have a category for ceramic engineers. You are currently listed as being employed as a sales manager for Honeywell in Mississagua. Do you deny this?
Wow, there is another Paul Beckwith who went to McMaster in Engineering. You have the wrong guy Jerry. the information above is NOT for me. I did my B.Eng. from 1980 to 1984 in Engineering Physics and then did an M.Sc. in Physics from 1984 to 1986, all at McMaster. Give this other guy a call if you want, his number is listed when you search for the name on the link you provide. I am very surprised that I never met this guy although the classes were large, he would have been two years behind me. Amazing, almost too amazing. Maybe the APEO has their data all wrong?
Wow, there is another Paul Beckwith who went to McMaster in Engineering. You have the wrong guy Jerry. the information above is NOT for me. I did my B.Eng. from 1980 to 1984 in Engineering Physics and then did an M.Sc. in Physics from 1984 to 1986, all at McMaster. Give this other guy a call if you want, his number is listed when you search for the name on the link you provide. I am very surprised that I never met this guy although the classes were large, he would have been two years behind me. Amazing, almost too amazing. Maybe the APEO has their data all wrong?
Well in that case you are like someone with a law degree or medical degree but never qualified as a lawyer or doctor who has been claiming to be a lawyer or doctor. An engineering degree does not make you an engineer. I would be careful if I was you. There are penalties for people claiming to be doctors, lawyers or engineers when they in fact are not.
For me, the skeptical part has more to do with whether we can do anything to "save humanity" from itself at all. You aren't going to be able to tell China, let alone the U.S., to stop burning coal and oil. As the famous saying goes, "You guys are going to keep doing that until someone loses an eye". The world will keep doing what it's doing right up until its last dying breath.
Yes, the big fear is that we will continue our reckless ways past a point of no return. Do you remember the Ozone hole? It is actually recovering due to the Montreal Protocol (1987). The world recognized the problem and took action. The stakes are much higher now, but global cooperation is possible. Believing that we can't solve a problem too often becomes a self-fullfilling prophecy.
The complications of everything around us, including even the quantum world of the stuff everything is made of, are such that we aren't even close to being Gods. We have to continue to admit that we MIGHT BE WRONG about such complicated matters as the human body and the planet and the universe.
Yes, we could be wrong. But you understand the concept of reasonable doubt, right?
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
Is this your apology for posting a dozen times claiming I was a ceramic engineer? Not sure why you are stalking me online, trying to find out everything posted in virtual space, finding someone who you think is me and scrutinizing gaps between their degree and professional designation and trying to poke holes in their history. Just ask me next time about my educational background.
Last edited by Paul Beckwith; Thursday, 19th July, 2012, 01:26 PM.
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