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I think it's a sad commentary on the state of the views they are trying to promote. It's doubtful any politician they support would be of interest to me.
I watched the English language debate. I didn't realize Iggy only managed to vote in 30% of the voting. In any case, Harper and his views have something like 39 - 40 percent support from the polls I've been reading. Then there are FOUR, count them, NDP, Bloc, Liberals and Green fighting for the other 60% of the support. So vote for whoever you want but I figure the Cons will win the most ridings.
Some polling firm called me last evening. I think he said he was from NRG or something like that. I'd never heard of it. I answered his questions but if I vote depends on the weather that day. I also neglected to tell him my wife hasn't told me who we'll be voting for this election. He didn't ask me that question. I only told him who I liked. Like it or not, Paul, that too is a reality of elections.
Last edited by Gary Ruben; Friday, 15th April, 2011, 02:39 PM.
Hopefully Gary will explain why he hates Elizabeth and the Greens.
That should get us a few votes. ;):D
I don't hate her and don't know where you get that from. I don't think her policies will work or that her policies are good for business. Certainly, if her policies stop development in oil and gas, forestry, mining (including coal mining) and most polluting industries government revenues will drop.
A couple of years ago Alberta raised the taxes on the oil and gas industry. They saw what happened and have now lowered the taxes a bit BUT the activity still isn't as high as it was. The companies moved to other provinces with more favourable taxation and out of the country.
In case you haven't noticed, this isn't about getting a few votes. It's about winning ridings.
Your desperation is getting palpable. I'm just wondering why the economic suicide aspects of a carbon tax as proposed by the Liberals are not being discussed in the media. SunTV can't arrive soon enough.
Right now it looks like Harper might be able to win a majority. The Green party is in free fall with most of the polls putting them around 3 or 4 percent which probably hurts Harper's majority chances. They should get ready for a diminished role where Elizabeth May won't even be considered for future debates and their $2 per voter subsidy won't go quite as far this time. There is one polling firm that consistently places the Tories at 35 percent or so even while all the other polls are showing them significantly stronger. I will have to check if they are the Liberal house polling firm. If the Conservatives get 42% they will have a good shot at a majority so that we can be spared the discovery that yet another liberal leader lied about his accord/coalition aspirations.
but I think the conservatives are going to simply get another minority government, even though Harper is certainly trying very hard with this orchestrated election to get he majority.
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
Do you want to make your vote count the most in order to remove Harper from power?
This is an excellent site that lets you make the highest impact decision. Perhaps Gillanders should be voting Liberal or NDP instead of Green...
Students, the Liberals will give you $1000 per year at the beginning of school year for college or university to help offset rising tuition costs. They care about students, Harpers thugs are trying to keep students from voting by grabbing for ballot boxes at U. of Guelph.
By the way, did you know that those jets will cost way more than the $75 million per aircraft that Harper says (even the military guys in the US say they will be at least $150 million per plane). Did you know that the Harper agreement for these planes DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINES. Look it up...
Last edited by Paul Beckwith; Monday, 18th April, 2011, 11:19 AM.
Do you want to make your vote count the most in order to remove Harper from power?
This is an excellent site that lets you make the highest impact decision. Perhaps Gillanders should be voting Liberal or NDP instead of Green...
You do realize that if people who support the Green party don't vote for the Green party their funding under the soon to be eliminated $2 per vote program will go to the party that they actually voted for. Also I will mock you for the fact that the only party honestly running on a a green platform couldn't garner any votes.
I suspect that the Coalition will be brought back to life after the election if the Conservatives don't win a majority. It might be good for that to happen if the coalition government were short lived.
Students, the Liberals will give you $1000 per year at the beginning of school year for college or university to help offset rising tuition costs. They care about students, Harpers thugs are trying to keep students from voting by grabbing for ballot boxes at U. of Guelph.
You are so naive as to believe that the Fiberals are going to keep a campaign promise??? They will say that the books are much worse than they could ever have imagined and therefore their promises that don't involve extra taxes will not be implemented.
By the way, did you know that those jets will cost way more than the $75 million per aircraft that Harper says (even the military guys in the US say they will be at least $150 million per plane). Did you know that the Harper agreement for these planes DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINES. Look it up...
If we are going to remain a country that has a military then they need military equipment. That need will not change based on a change of government.
You do realize that if people who support the Green party don't vote for the Green party their funding under the soon to be eliminated $2 per vote program will go to the party that they actually voted for. Also I will mock you for the fact that the only party honestly running on a a green platform couldn't garner any votes.
i was interested in voting green...until i looked at their financial plans.
they are going to cut corporate contributions to EI and CPP by 23 BILLION dollars (with a b) a year. this will be offset by carbon taxes they say. that's quite a bit of a gamble, especially if they intend to reduce carbon by taxing it...but the 1 BILLION (with a b) they expect to make in taxes on marijuana should attempt to counter balance that.
i like some of their ideas, but the math don't look right...
By the way, did you know that those jets will cost way more than the $75 million per aircraft that Harper says (even the military guys in the US say they will be at least $150 million per plane). Did you know that the Harper agreement for these planes DOES NOT INCLUDE ENGINES. Look it up...
You're obviously the expert on aircraft in this thread so maybe you can clear up something.
I thought you could buy an aircraft and the engines depend on exactly what you want. Like the manufacturer. As an example, the F-136 engine was to have been used for the test on the F-35. I don't know if the program has been completed or halted.
You seem to be the expert so how about telling us how the agreement differs from the understanding I would assume most with even a passing interest in aircraft understand.
In this case stating "I don't know" would be an acceptable, although unexpected, reply.
i was interested in voting green...until i looked at their financial plans.
they are going to cut corporate contributions to EI and CPP by 23 BILLION dollars (with a b) a year. this will be offset by carbon taxes they say. that's quite a bit of a gamble, especially if they intend to reduce carbon by taxing it...but the 1 BILLION (with a b) they expect to make in taxes on marijuana should attempt to counter balance that.
i like some of their ideas, but the math don't look right...
The Green party's plans and the math behind it are no more ridiculous than the ones prepared by the Liberals or NDP. You can afford to be "creative" when there is no danger that you can win and the liberal media is doing everything in its power to make sure you get a smooth ride into power.
Carbon taxes of the sort proposed by the Liberals will take in many billions of dollars and make some friends of the governing party very, very rich if we ever got to that sad day. Alberta would get royally screwed over. It would be a bit scary if one of the main economic engines of Canada were destroyed in the process.
If the Liberals/NDP/Greens sneak into power look forward to $10 per liter gas and home electricity costs which are three or four times what they are now.
The Green party's plans and the math behind it are no more ridiculous than the ones prepared by the Liberals or NDP. You can afford to be "creative" when there is no danger that you can win and the liberal media is doing everything in its power to make sure you get a smooth ride into power.
Carbon taxes of the sort proposed by the Liberals will take in many billions of dollars and make some friends of the governing party very, very rich if we ever got to that sad day. Alberta would get royally screwed over. It would be a bit scary if one of the main economic engines of Canada were destroyed in the process.
If the Liberals/NDP/Greens sneak into power look forward to $10 per liter gas and home electricity costs which are three or four times what they are now.
"You can afford to be "creative" when there is no danger that you can win and the liberal media is doing everything in its power to make sure you get a smooth ride into power"
Aren't your predictions about the cost of gas and electricity just as "creative"? They seem like fear mongering to me, because they are little more than speculation.
"You can afford to be "creative" when there is no danger that you can win and the liberal media is doing everything in its power to make sure you get a smooth ride into power"
Aren't your predictions about the cost of gas and electricity just as "creative"? They seem like fear mongering to me, because they are little more than speculation.
I saw one analysis that put the costs at $180 billion or so. Cap and trade is stupid economic suicide. It was rejected by Canadians when Dion proposed it. It was rejected by Ignatieff. I guess that it is a sop to the Green Party supporters.
The following site provides some analysis of what Bjorn Lomborg the author of the "Skeptical Environmentalist" has written on the subject. Basically he thinks that wasting the amounts of money that are being proposed is wrong and his arguments are usually framed in terms of the difference in degrees Celsius that all of the measures would contribute at the end of some long period of time. Pardon me if I don't want to spend $10 per litre to change the 2100 temperature by 0.000005 degrees if the generous assumptions are even correct.
"Denmark’s Dr. Bjorn Lomborg states that while cap and trade supporters argue global warming’s costs will be $3 trillion a year by the end of this century, meeting cap and trade objectives would require spending $40 trillion annually and gasoline would rise to $9 a litre, or $35 a gallon. Dr. Lomborg is not a global warming denier, by the way."
My guess is that the $9 per litre figure doesn't include HST so I stand by my $10 per liter prediction.
Dalton McGuinty and Smitherman said that their Green Energy program would not raise electricity rates in Ontario. How has that been working out? Even Dalton McGuinty admits that it has raised rates.
Aren't your predictions about the cost of gas and electricity just as "creative"? They seem like fear mongering to me, because they are little more than speculation.
The cost of electricity is not that hard to calculate. If you pay 20 to 28 times the current wholesale cost of electricity it is obvious that if those renewable sources of power increase to five percent of supplied power then the weighted average wholesale electricity costs must at least double.
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Go to the Facebook site "Can this onion ring get more votes than Stephan Harper?"; it has more followers than Harper. It is pointless to argue with the vitriol spewing from the right wing zealots on this chat group...
The F35 is a crappy plane for Canada. NO ENGINE; short range (2220 km versus F18 range of 3300 km, should have 2 engines for reliability while flying in harsh Arctic conditions; unless engine is correct type it will lose stealth capability; Canada just spent last decade upgrading most of our F18s; they are still great aircraft and very reliable; tried and tested...
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