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Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
Gary, use the suggestion above and create a new link called "Flat earth, AGW, Peak Oil and other myths exposed". Great idea. I am all for it.
The denial people can post there and the others like myself can continue to post here. I am certain that your new link would die a just and rapid death and the denial crowd would flock back to this link.
Yes, I know. Too bad. It would be great news if climate change was indeed slowing, but alas, "if it is too good to be true, then it probably is!" Vlad's subsequent rant was a dead giveaway.
Anyhow, I did discover a new video on the Arctic Sea ice issue.
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
Go for it Gary - this thread takes much too long to load now - we need a brand, spanking new one. I think the unwashed masses are looking to you to take the bull by the horns!!
You don't see any plateau because the data is not truly comparable over different time ranges because it covers a different set of measurement sites. There is also no indication whether this is unadjusted data or adjusted data which is quite different and may yield different results. This is also sloppy science since the labels do not match what is actually graphed. The data has increased sampling in the Arctic which has been warming according to Beckwith but has not increased sampling in the Antarctic which has been cooling. If you cherry pick and only add new sites where there has been warming then of course the overall trend will be warming. Garbage in. Garbage out.
Re: THE NEW One and Only Climate Change Whatever...
Growth of ice caps doesn't mean cooling. It means sustained cold. Melting of ice caps doesn't mean warming. It means average the temperature is relatively higher than is required to sustain the cap. (However, arctic ocean dynamics will totally screw up this simplistic analysis.)
Are antarctic temperatures indeed lower on average, or is it simply that averages remain enough below 0 that it continues to grow despite stasis or a warming trend?
Are antarctic temperatures indeed lower on average, or is it simply that averages remain enough below 0 that it continues to grow despite stasis or a warming trend?
The data set represented by the graph posted by Egidijus indicates that the Antarctic is cooling. Whether it is or isn't is dependent on the accuracy of the measurements and adjustments made to those measurements.
It is adjusted data gleaned from multiple and different sources of input with different bias and errors with multiple different adjustments and methods. It shows that the most recent series of 15 to 16 years indicates no warming. It does not provide much support for taking draconian actions based on the doomsday scenarios floated by alarmists. You can argue that it shows warming if you accept the validity of the various adjustments. Warming in and of itself does not prove anything as we are coming out of an ice age and would expect some warming as a result. What is interesting is that if CO2 increases temperature then why hasn't there been an increase over the last 16 years given the increase in carbon dioxide?
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