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Re: Occupy Toronto Protest - Some Protesters Hunkering Down
Numbers of labour union supporters have now joined the Occupy Toronto tenting members in St. James Park to show support, in the face of expected City of Toronto eviction by Toronto Police. Protesters are hoping the swelling numbers will delay police action.
Hmmm, red the colour of communism. How appropriate.
Not the first thing that came to mind when he said Red Shirt...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedShirt
"The color of shirt worn by the nameless security personnel on the original Star Trek series. Their only job was to get eaten, shot, stabbed, disrupted, sped up and killed, frozen, desalinated, or turned into a cuboctahedron and crushed."
Not the first thing that came to mind when he said Red Shirt...
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedShirt
"The color of shirt worn by the nameless security personnel on the original Star Trek series. Their only job was to get eaten, shot, stabbed, disrupted, sped up and killed, frozen, desalinated, or turned into a cuboctahedron and crushed."
Much in common I see. The ones in the park are nameless and their only job is to confront the police so that some academic can pontificate like Captain Kirk.
According to City TV news, Occupy Toronto will be utilizing a colour coded T shirt system:
Green shirt - will leave the park when asked by police.
Yellow shirt - will leave the park at 12:01 am tonight.
Red shirt - not planning to leave.
Civility in civil disobedience - Only in Canada you say!
Hmmm, red the colour of the USA Republican Party. How appropriate.
Hmmm, red the colour of Pentecost. How appropriate.
Hmmm, red the colour of the Liberal Party. How appropriate.
Hmmm, red the colour of blood. How appropriate.
Hmmm, red the colour of remembrance poppies. How appropriate.
Hmmm, red the colour of Les Habitants. How appropriate. Honest. They're not L fans!.
Hmmm, red the colour of Les Habitants. How appropriate. Honest. They're not L fans!.
Shouldn't they be? The Canadiens are an elite team, part of the 1% of teams that have more Stanley Cup wins than the 99% of the rest of the NHL teams. While the Leafs are well part of the 99% disadvantaged and shut out of the elites. The Canadiens are the Wall Street bankers of the NHL. How can the occupy movement possibly support them? The occupy movement does not favour excess success at the expense of others. They are even or were owned by a major Canadian corporation - the Molsons the last time I looked.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Monday, 21st November, 2011, 11:20 PM.
The Canadiens are the Wall Street bankers of the NHL.
I've removed the original response. After all, I'm not even a fan. Win or lose, hockey is entertainment. The abiding financial crisis has had grave consequences.
What I've seen the OWS people object to is not success at hockey (which might be epitomized by Les Habitants), nor at capitalism (which might be represented by an idealized long-term view of various markets up to 2007), but they have objected to the exploitation of defeat, occasioned by promoting to their fans lots of empty-net securities, leveraged by position ("too big to avoid the stanchion" or too close to the action or prior knowledge) to their own individual or corporate benefit, to the detriment of the clients (fans), causing untold suffering throughout the world, and with at least three years of impunity. Zeljko sees in OWS, outsiders who hate the game (hockey, capitalism): Communists. I thought he retreated from that in the other thread. Fans, on the other hand, look at Habs fans (or the fans of many other franchises), and say "Gosh, I wish that my investment in time and energy and ticket stubs and beer caps, had paid, in on-ice victory, over the last four and a half decades, as well as yours has."
As discussed elsewhere, any amorphous movement of note will attract bandstanders. Eco-warriors, conspiracy theorists, anarcho-syndicalists, Bible Christians and more. But those do not, in my observation as an outsider, represent OWS. Of course, it has not achieved a monolithic unity of purpose which is usually attained by a fixed hierarchy and decades of parading the troops. That looseness, to my mind, is part of the charm of OWS.
Leaving the hockey game aside, I was browsing through the bookshelf and chanced upon Aldous Huxley's Brave New World Revisited, published in 1958. A lot happens in 53 years, but I find his predictions chilling and his analysis, especially in chapter 3, "Over-Organization", perceptive. Yes, OWS-type stuff.
I've also been watching programs about the WW II codebreaking at Bletchley Park in the UK. The Nazis had codebreakers too, but they were divided into at least seven separate units that squabbled with each other. The British codebreakers (you might have heard of Alan Turing and Co breaking the Enigma code, but perhaps not of Bill Tutte and Tom Flowers breaking the code/ machine that followed Enigma) succeeded, saving tens of millions of lives, in part because their unit brought together people who would have been considered unemployable in Nazi Germany. So when you see the motley, perhaps stinky crew of OWS, think of them as potentially the seed of salvation. Oh yes, and the Nazis did not trust people, that's why they went for the highest tech of machinery. They did not imagine that their distrust of people and obsession with security would allow their strategies and tactics to be an open book to their opponents. Some of the files are still closed considered secret, since 1945.
Last edited by Jonathan Berry; Tuesday, 22nd November, 2011, 01:05 PM.
I've removed the original response. After all, I'm not even a fan. Win or lose, hockey is entertainment. The abiding financial crisis has had grave consequences.
What I've seen the OWS people object to is not success at hockey (which might be epitomized by Les Habitants), nor at capitalism (which might be represented by an idealized long-term view of various markets up to 2007), but they have objected to the exploitation of defeat, occasioned by promoting to their fans lots of empty-net securities, leveraged by position ("too big to avoid the stanchion" or too close to the action or prior knowledge) to their own individual or corporate benefit, to the detriment of the clients (fans), causing untold suffering throughout the world, and with at least three years of impunity. Zeljko sees in OWS, outsiders who hate the game (hockey, capitalism): Communists. I thought he retreated from that in the other thread. Fans, on the other hand, look at Habs fans (or the fans of many other franchises), and say "Gosh, I wish that my investment in time and energy and ticket stubs and beer caps, had paid, in on-ice victory, over the last four and a half decades, as well as yours has."
As discussed elsewhere, any amorphous movement of note will attract bandstanders. Eco-warriors, conspiracy theorists, anarcho-syndicalists, Bible Christians and more. But those do not, in my observation as an outsider, represent OWS. Of course, it has not achieved a monolithic unity of purpose which is usually attained by a fixed hierarchy and decades of parading the troops. That looseness, to my mind, is part of the charm of OWS.
Leaving the hockey game aside, I was browsing through the bookshelf and chanced upon Aldous Huxley's Brave New World Revisited, published in 1958. A lot happens in 53 years, but I find his predictions chilling and his analysis, especially in chapter 3, "Over-Organization", perceptive. Yes, OWS-type stuff.
I've also been watching programs about the WW II codebreaking at Bletchley Park in the UK. The Nazis had codebreakers too, but they were divided into at least seven separate units that squabbled with each other. The British codebreakers (you might have heard of Alan Turing and Co breaking the Enigma code, but perhaps not of Bill Tutte and Tom Flowers breaking the code/ machine that followed Enigma) succeeded, saving tens of millions of lives, in part because their unit brought together people who would have been considered unemployable in Nazi Germany. So when you see the motley, perhaps stinky crew of OWS, think of them as potentially the seed of salvation. Oh yes, and the Nazis did not trust people, that's why they went for the highest tech of machinery. They did not imagine that their distrust of people and obsession with security would allow their strategies and tactics to be an open book to their opponents. Some of the files are still closed considered secret, since 1945.
Playing the Nazi/Fascist card? Well played sir :D:D Much like the hockey card you retracted. :):)
The OWS certainly do speak in a crypto-code; perhaps a Nonsense Enigma variation? One needs a secret decoder ring apparently just to figure out who is and is not legitimately part of the movement. Sounds like you posses one. Maybe you should hire yourself out as a media analyst. People have been paid for much less expertise by media outlets than you possess in sorting out the bandstanders from the wheat.
And in plain speak and for the record I have never backtracked from my position that there is a detectable Marxist ideology element in the OWS movement. At the very least an anti-capitalist ideology despite what Bob G. characterises are only wanting to make the existing system work better.
You may want to be a little careful though; if you get all your history from television documentaries and works of fiction you might end up with a less than serious understanding of history - Caveat Emptor. At least that's what our history profs at Ryerson keep telling us.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Tuesday, 22nd November, 2011, 03:05 PM.
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