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Should unruly and disruptive juniors play in CFC Rated, Cash Prize events?
I think some adults consider a kid beating them to be a kid misbehaving ;)
More likely elder abuse.
Years ago, a couple of adults (or anyone else) getting overly "enthusiastic" over a speed chess game on Sunday got a two week vacation from me.
Be nice. Tell them nicely. If they don't want the vacation offer them their full membership money returned, in which case they can't come back. But, be nice. :)
Unfortunately I'm still a young whipper snapper. I'm Not 60 yet.
So I still have to play in the three ring Circus
Your assessment of using the Labour Day Open, one of our marquee
tournaments with some of the most respected organizers and TD's we have in the GTA is a little tacky. IMHO
The hard and heavy Hart House front doors do not filter Circus artists ;) I could name several too.
As for the Senior section - I think it is a good idea . The age limit can be lower 50 or even 45.
To sound a dissonant note, I'd generally much rather be paired with a junior than an adult. The junior is far more likely to be punctual, far less likely to have a cell phone go off, isn't going to disappear for a smoke break, and isn't going to come to the table reeking of tobacco or even alcohol.
I liked the setup at the Toronto International with the Arbiters sitting on the stage overlooking the playing hall. Arbiters need to move around and be seen, rather, than has happened at some Toronto tournaments, spending the majority of time in another room. Arbiters need to go to each board at the end of the game to have the players move on, not talk with parents/coaches. Perhaps Arbiters need to be more proactive about food and movements, not putting the onus on a player to complain. An arbiter could also remove somebody reeking of alcohol. It's awkward pointing out unintentional behaviour.
The before the round announcements and posting rules are also excellent practices.
Last edited by Erik Malmsten; Saturday, 8th September, 2012, 08:34 PM.
Reason: incorrect observations removed from quote
Re: Should unruly and disruptive juniors play in CFC Rated, Cash Prize events?
In the few hundred games I have played since coming back to competitive chess, including a great many against juniors, I can recall only two instances of misbehaviour by youngsters. In one my opponent kept insisting the game was a draw and to my discredit I failed to find the winning plan. In the other, it was a compelling case of outside computer assistance which so rattled me that I turned down the offer of a draw and went on to lose. I am happy to say there have been no repeat performances by the junior in question.
Put me down as one who believes that the kids are the future of the game. I would be opposed to adopting the well-intentioned suggestions in this thread to deal with a problem I believe is greatly overstated.
I guess the easiest solution and maybe somewhat cruel, would be to
have the TD post a list of unruly and disruptive individuals
beside the next round pairing sheets.
This would at least, expose the offenders and the rest of the participants
will know that disruptive players are in their group and to be wary.
And you could be the go=between to deal with the parents so the TD could do his job. How long could you last?
Re: Should unruly and disruptive juniors play in CFC Rated, Cash Prize events?
Pretty much everything you listed can be solved by solved by telling them to stop or calling the TD. Nothing like the things listed have ever significantly affected my play in any way. Incidentally, there are plenty of adults who do things that are just as bad.
Re: Should unruly and disruptive juniors play in CFC Rated, Cash Prize events?
Coming from a junior's perspective, I find it both enjoyable, and beneficial playing an adult. For me, implementing a 'junior section' and an 'adult section' would ruin the tournament experience. Playing an adult gives the junior a a grand opportunity to play a man, or woman, that have played chess for far longer than ourselves, and perhaps learn a thing or two from them. Not only on the chessboard, but off the chessboard as well. That is, unless the adult is as disruptive, and unruly as John claims juniors are.
I agree with John that some juniors are known, and seen to misbehave, but there are some adults, if not more adults that do the same. If we are to reduce the circus acts going on at chess tournaments, we shouldn't separate the adults and juniors, but we need to ensure that the rules and obligations are known well by all players.
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