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I have to agree with Les on this one. Do the math, 6 rounds is sufficient to avoid the unfortunate scenario where 2 players can both finish with perfect scores without playing each other. That is all we can pragmatically work towards.
this way, the kids will not be stressed out thinking that they have to perform well in every round.
Well, I think if they want to be national champion, they should expect "to perform well in every round".
They can relax later, when they play us adults!
It's really a very unlikely scenario to have 65 kids in one section at CYCC. But let's imagine other organizers use the same approach. Few examples:
1. Canadian Closed will be 5 or 6 round event (now 9).
2. WYCC will be 7 or 8 round event (now 11).
3. Candidate tournament will be 3 (!) round event (now 14).
4. Olympiad will be 8 round event (now 11).
5. World Junior will be 7 or 8 round event (now 13).
Well, I think if they want to be national champion, they should expect "to perform well in every round".
They can relax later, when they play us adults!
Are you saying that to be a world champion or national champion, you are expected to WIN every game that you play ? Did the world champion win every game or in Canadian closed, did the champion win every round ?
Performing well also does not mean you will be able to win the game ? don't you think so ? are you saying playing well meaning Win only ?
As Victor mentioned before , CYCC should be given the same important as CO if not more important !! They are the future of Canada !!
Well, I think if they want to be national champion, they should expect "to perform well in every round".
They can relax later, when they play us adults!
The problem, as it has been mentioned, is that we can easily imagine a scenario where a section has 3 players with 5/5 and where the top 2 are significantly stronger than the third one. If they play against each other in the last round, and the result is a draw, then the third (weaker) player could easily win against a lower rated player and win the tournament...
However, the organizers of the CYCC need money from parents to finance the Canadian Open (the prize fund of the CO is based on the entries of the CYCC). 7 rounds would cost more money.
For a good cost/rounds ratio, the NAYCC costs $95 and has 7 rounds...
The problem, as it has been mentioned, is that we can easily imagine a scenario where a section has 3 players with 5/5 and where the top 2 are significantly stronger than the third one. If they play against each other in the last round, and the result is a draw, then the third (weaker) player could easily win against a lower rated player and win the tournament...
However, the organizers of the CYCC need money from parents to finance the Canadian Open (the prize fund of the CO is based on the entries of the CYCC). 7 rounds would cost more money.
For a good cost/rounds ratio, the NAYCC costs $95 and has 7 rounds...
To make it clear: If you do the Math you would need 67+ players for this to happen .... and no draws amongst the leaders.
Disclaimer: I am not involved in the organization of this tournament. As is often the case the CFC receives only a single bid for a national event. Last year the CFC Governors chose to accept the 6 round event bid from Ottawa.
To make it clear: If you do the Math you would need 67+ players for this to happen .... and no draws amongst the leaders.
Disclaimer: I am not involved in the organization of this tournament. As is often the case the CFC receives only a single bid for a national event. Last year the CFC Governors chose to accept the 6 round event bid from Ottawa.
True. But it's far from being out of reach. But the same scenario could happen if three or four players have 4.5/5 (and would not require as many players).
True. But it's far from being out of reach. But the same scenario could happen if three or four players have 4.5/5 (and would not require as many players).
If you consider a scenario with 3 players having 4.5/5 (two of which are significantly stronger than the third), and this could theoretically happen with 33 or more players, there are two scenarios.
1. Numbers one and two drew each other. That means that one of them plays the third guy tied for first and the other plays a 4. This seems to be an OK final round.
2. Numbers one and two haven't played each other. This means they both drew somebody else, which draws the whole question of them being significantly stronger than anyone else in the group into question.
Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: 2013 CYCC and Canadian Open: Official Website
Here is a list of the fifty Windsor area kids who have qualified to CYCC so far. I still have one more YCC qualifiers pending. There are also three non-Windsor kids who qualified in a Windsor YCC. I believe that this list is complete but, if not, hopefully someone will notify me.
Name
1 Peter Akram
2 Peter Avdoulos
3 Minya Bai
4 Shaumik Baki
5 Gursimmer Banwait
6 Karthik Baskaran
7 Anitej Bhaskar*
8 Alan Bui
9 Lukas Cheung
10 Tyler D'Amore
11 Yousef Emara
12 Ziyad Emara
13 Devin Feng
14 Tyler Fleury (Chatham, ON)
15 Rose Forshaw
16 Erica Forshaw
17 Steven Fu
18 Adam Gaisinsky
19 Jacob Gaisinsky
20 Rahma Gillan
21 Mihir Gupta
22 Frank Hou
23 Tian Hou
24 Nikola Kolobaric
25 Brandon Kong (Kitchener-Waterloo ON)
26 Jathushan Krishnamohan
27 Vithushan Krishnamohan
28 Noah Kuefuss
29 Stefano Lee
30 Jack Li
31 David Makarczyk
32 Jeremy Mathews
33 Joshua Mathews
34 Kiran Menon
35 Jaden Michno (Breslau, ON)
36 Alexander Mikho
37 Michael Montemurri
38 Joshua Myers
39 David Novakovic
40 Matteo Pontoni
41 Rohan Talukdar
42 Ellen Tao
43 Rachel Tao
44 Prushoth Vivekanantha
45 Nancy Yao
46 Burak Yilmaz
47 Jeannie Zhang
48 Henry Zhang
49 Wendy Zhang
50 Zhehai Zhang
51 Lily Zhou
52 Jeffrey Zhu
53 Max Zhu
List updated to reflect June 8th YCC. This is most likely the final list as the low turnout at the June 8th YCC suggests that everyone that wants to qualify has already done so.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Sunday, 9th June, 2013, 02:21 PM.
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However, the organizers of the CYCC need money from parents to finance the Canadian Open (the prize fund of the CO is based on the entries of the CYCC). 7 rounds would cost more money.
In this case, why do the parents have to pay for the GMs appearance fee at CO???
Maybe the organizers will post a financial report (like the one from 2011) to prove you wrong.
Re: Re : Re: 2013 CYCC and Canadian Open: Official Website
I think to state that the prize fund of the CO is dependent on the number of entries at the CYCC is a bit misleading. The organizers presumably will produce a financial statement at some point in time, if they want to disprove this.
The idea is that the organizers should benefit from some cost sharing from using the same facilities, arbiters, attracting players to both events, etc. Having said that, if there were only 100 entries for the CYCC, it is possible the CO prize fund could drop as it would have to absorb a higher percentage of the shared costs.
Re : Re: Re : Re: 2013 CYCC and Canadian Open: Official Website
The CYCC will never make a deficit. It's only a matter of how much profit it makes. Why would the CO care about how much profit it makes (unless it needs it to guarantee its own prizes)? $18 000 were distributed at the 2011 CYCC (in addition to what was planned). As it appears now, the organizers of the 2013 CYCC are already planning to use this money for the CO and no the CYCC, and their lack of answer for this simple questions tells everything.
Last year the CFC Governors chose to accept the 6 round event bid from Ottawa.
I think the Governors accepted an intention to hold CYCC and CO in Ottawa, without much known details about tournaments. And there was a raised concern about 6 rounds at that time too.
imo, the tournament should figure out a winner when strong players play each other, and not against lower rated opponents. For swiss, it is a higher number of rounds like 9 or 11. It gives the second chance too :)
The CYCC will never make a deficit. It's only a matter of how much profit it makes. Why would the CO care about how much profit it makes (unless it needs it to guarantee its own prizes)? $18 000 were distributed at the 2011 CYCC (in addition to what was planned). As it appears now, the organizers of the 2013 CYCC are already planning to use this money for the CO and no the CYCC, and their lack of answer for this simple questions tells everything.
In 2011 CYCC's last round was in the morning and CO's first round afternoon. My son had to play for few more hours after the last round (play-off for 2nd place) and we still had time to drive from Richmond Hill to downtown Toronto so he can play in CO.
This year CYCC and CO are in the same hotel and I'm sure the organizers can do a 7th round and play-off games before the CO starts. If they can get away with 6 rounds because CFC allowed them, what's the point of making their life more complicated in the first day of the CO. Who cares about the parents whining on chesstalk? The majority of the parents will pay the $225 anyway.
As of today (June 7), there are 95 entries for the Canadian Open. Four are from Quebec (two of those from Gatineau - just across the river from Ottawa, and one is GM Bator Sambuev).
There are 96 entries for the CYCC. How many from Quebec? Three.
As of a few days ago, there were 59 entries for the Quebec Open (entry fees don't increase until July 1). At least 29 of these entries are from outside Quebec. Are the $65-$100 entry fees a factor (compared to the $225-$250 (CYCC entry fees) or the $225-$275 (Canadian Open entry fees))?
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