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Of course and they even qualify for these titles... Some literally feel insulted of such titles (to quote one : " Only because we are women, we need
to do less efforts to have a title? What is the rational behind this?")
When I organized the Women Championship last year, I discussed of the titles with several people, including the sponsors (Goddesschess). The general opinion is that different titles actually increase the barrier between men and women.
You're running to represent the opinion of CFC members in your area? Or are you are running to represent your own opinion only, but loudly? Although a CFC governor that actually does vote would be a novelty in and of itself.
Why do you always seem to want to pick a fight with someone? I don't think I ever picked a fight with you on here or in real life and in fact I've only seen you a couple times back when I was a kid in Hamilton. I never talked to you nor talked badly of you in private yet I see myself constantly attacked on this forum. It's quite disturbing to see fellow chess players with such bitterness in their minds.
I speak my mind on these subjects without any political garbage in between my words and I do believe my thought process is similar to many other players that I know of. The WCM title is already worthless in it of itself and there is no benefit to anyone but the national coach aka Edward Porper for the other motion to be passed. I don't know anything about running for a CFC governor spot nor was I planning to run for one as I was merely asking of its significance. I don't know why you bother posting on this forum spilling such hatred. Doesn't everyone have enough problems to deal with in real life without resorting to petty insults online?
I believe Felix Dumont makes good points, also I'd like to add in a couple things.
Isn't it overly misogynistic to have separate titles for woman? There is no reason why they can't play chess as well as men, imagine if there was separate titles for people with different skin colours, imagine the outrage.
I don't understand why more woman are not angered or at least against having separate titles it treats them like inferior chess players who have to do less work and be less good in order to be considered masters.
Looks to me like the kids who go to the WYCC fall into two categories:
1) Serious players. These kids normally already have coaches, they read chess books, they think about the game. Basically they take it all seriously.
2) The rest. These kids don't do much, if any, work to improve.
You can usually tell from the scores who is serious and who isn't.
There is no point in having a national coach for the kids in group 2. The kids in group 1 would be helped, perhaps, but since most of them have coaches who know them really well I doubt it would help much.
There may be a few kids whose parents cannot afford coaching and who might be helped by having the CFC pay for a coach. But would these parents be able to afford the trip to the CYCC and then part costs for the WYCC in the first place?
"Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.
I don't understand why more woman are not angered or at least against having separate titles it treats them like inferior chess players who have to do less work and be less good in order to be considered masters.
Looks to me like the kids who go to the WYCC fall into two categories:
1) Serious players. These kids normally already have coaches, they read chess books, they think about the game. Basically they take it all seriously.
2) The rest. These kids don't do much, if any, work to improve.
You can usually tell from the scores who is serious and who isn't.
There is no point in having a national coach for the kids in group 2. The kids in group 1 would be helped, perhaps, but since most of them have coaches who know them really well I doubt it would help much.
There may be a few kids whose parents cannot afford coaching and who might be helped by having the CFC pay for a coach. But would these parents be able to afford the trip to the CYCC and then part costs for the WYCC in the first place?
Things have sure changed since I was a junior. Back then there were no Grandmasters in Canada. I don't recall any private coaches either. The older players at the club used to work with us a bit and we were a competitive group.
I think Abe Yanofsky used to work with one of the juniors and he did quite well. Jack Woodbury used to help us out as well and I recall him directing at least one event.
When I started spending a lot of time at the chess club to feed my addiction to the game my dad dropped by to see what I was doing. He wasn't a chess player. It turned out he knew several of the regulars. After that I started getting what was really instruction wrapped up in play from good players from Eastern Europe.
The Canadian junior champion was the junior who finished with the highest score in the Canadian Open.
I remember one Manitoba Open. Abe and Harry Yanofsky both played as I recall. Also Jack Woodbury. Howard Rideout and that was in the years when he was good. There's at least one other strong player who made an Olympiad team but I can't recall for sure if he was there.
We used to go to Bemidgi to play the annual Winnipeg - Minneapolis match. Bemidgi was about half way. Abe Yanofsky used to play first board. The adults used to take the juniors who wanted to go. It was a weekend event.
I believe Felix Dumont makes good points, also I'd like to add in a couple things.
Isn't it overly misogynistic to have separate titles for woman? There is no reason why they can't play chess as well as men, imagine if there was separate titles for people with different skin colours, imagine the outrage.
I don't understand why more woman are not angered or at least against having separate titles it treats them like inferior chess players who have to do less work and be less good in order to be considered masters.
Adam,
How many sports do you know offer equal memberships for men and women within the same playing field? Women are allowed to play in any chess tournament, however it is men who are restricted by gender.
In sports, genders are always balanced; you would only ever see mixed doubles being one of each gender on each side of the tennis net, you would never see one man vs. one woman or two men vs. two women in anything other than exhibition matches. However, in chess there are no restrictions by gender in any tournaments that aren't geared only towards women.
As Tom O'Donnell has said many times in the past, women have more spots available to them in the Olympiad than men do, simply because the "men's group" is open to both genders (based on ratings and performances, not gender), but the women's group is open only to women.
So, it is men who should be offended, not women, in the chess world.
Jordan
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I believe Felix Dumont makes good points, also I'd like to add in a couple things.
Isn't it overly misogynistic to have separate titles for woman? There is no reason why they can't play chess as well as men, imagine if there was separate titles for people with different skin colours, imagine the outrage.
I don't understand why more woman are not angered or at least against having separate titles it treats them like inferior chess players who have to do less work and be less good in order to be considered masters.
Hi Adam:
Here is my recent post in the currently happening Spring Governors' On-line Meeting, concerning the motion to introduce lesser Canadian Women's titles:
As many of you know, I think the current separate women's parallel system is in fact now detrimental to women's chess, and is retarding its progress. I would abolish the whole separate rating system, and women's titles. However, in my attempts to discuss this option, I have been amazingly, to me, alone.
So given that the separate system exists, I do not understand the women players complaining about "cheap" titles. The whole system is "cheap". The Women's World Championship system is patently inferior to the World Chess Championship cycle.
But the argument is that it is needed to attract/keep women in chess, even if it is by diluted titles. Since we have diluted titles already, and a diluted system, it seems to me that the extension of diluted titles, as in this motion, complies with the whole logic behind this system.
Why would you not create low level targets as "rewards" if you believe it attracts/keeps women players. If that is right, then by all means the motion should pass.
But I personally will abstain, because I don't believe in the whole separate system, and so, on some occasions, like this, I decide not to participate in tinkering with it. I'll let those who believe in the system decide what "improves" it.
Why do you always seem to want to pick a fight with someone? I don't think I ever picked a fight with you on here or in real life and in fact I've only seen you a couple times back when I was a kid in Hamilton. I never talked to you nor talked badly of you in private yet I see myself constantly attacked on this forum. It's quite disturbing to see fellow chess players with such bitterness in their minds.
I speak my mind on these subjects without any political garbage in between my words and I do believe my thought process is similar to many other players that I know of. The WCM title is already worthless in it of itself and there is no benefit to anyone but the national coach aka Edward Porper for the other motion to be passed. I don't know anything about running for a CFC governor spot nor was I planning to run for one as I was merely asking of its significance. I don't know why you bother posting on this forum spilling such hatred. Doesn't everyone have enough problems to deal with in real life without resorting to petty insults online?
My you are feeling sensitive today. Is everything okay? Sorry if you feel that my asking why you want to be a governor has upset you so much. You do know that you are running to be the governor of an organization that I am a member of - do you not? So you'll pardon me if I ask what your approach will be when you fill this high exalted office. Knowing that you are prone to shooting from the hip I merely wondered if this was going to be another soap box for you? Or perhaps that you would resolve the brilliant issue you raised previously about whether a trans-gendered person could enter women's only events.
So I'll ask again. Are you running to represent the needs of members or running to air your own views primarily. I would suggest that if this is the way you are going to react any time a CFC member asks a question that you might want to rethink things. I'd hate to see you suffer an ulcer before you are 30. Yet now I see you are saying you were never serious about becoming a governor in the first place. Can't say I'm surprised. But I can say I'm much relieved.
I have no recall of ever meeting you; sorry but you just don't seem to be that memorable to me.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Wednesday, 3rd April, 2013, 03:53 PM.
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